[Model] Qwen4Exp: fp8_e4m3 main KV cache on the QSA path - #55557
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WalkthroughQSA attention now supports FP8-e4m3 K/V caches with per-tensor scales. Backend validation, cache reinterpretation, Triton dequantization, SM120 tuning, and correctness tests were updated. ChangesQSA FP8 cache support
Estimated code review effort: 3 (Moderate) | ~25 minutes Merge Risk: 🟡 Moderate · up to FP8 K/V caching increases QSA cache capacity, but deployments using scale tensors on a different GPU can fail attention execution. Add device-consistency validation before merge. Suggested reviewers: Sequence Diagram(s)sequenceDiagram
participant Qwen4ExpQSA
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Qwen4ExpQSA->>qsa_sparse_paged_attention: pass FP8 K/V caches and k_scale/v_scale
qsa_sparse_paged_attention->>QSATritonKernel: launch FP8 attention variant
QSATritonKernel->>QSATritonKernel: dequantize K/V and apply scale factors
QSATritonKernel-->>qsa_sparse_paged_attention: return attention output
qsa_sparse_paged_attention-->>Qwen4ExpQSA: return output tensor
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Can FP8 be an extra argument to the existing correctness test? We don't need an extra test function
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- can we do Q in FP8 as well? Using FP8 for QK should be fine. Then the question is whether PV should be done in FP8 as well, or remain in BF16 (or even FP16 since FP8->FP16 dequant is faster)
scores *= k_scaleshould be done outside of the main loop. Or ifk_scaleis available as python scalar, we can pre-multiply it in host side too- you might want to retune the kernel hparams for FP8 (once we have agreed on the design)
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Confirming this works on a second architecture, plus one interaction the numbers above don't cover: speculative decoding. Setup: 2× DGX Spark (GB10, sm_121), TP2 across two nodes over RoCE, vLLM nightly Capacity and prefill — matches your results
Prefill is unchanged within run-to-run noise, and ×1.70 lines up with your ×1.77. Decode is not unchanged once MTP is on
Quantizing K/V perturbs the attention of the target model and of the MTP draft head independently, so the two agree slightly less often; acceptance drops about 0.1 and the lost draft positions show up directly as decode throughput. Without speculative decoding there is nothing to lose, which is consistent with the "decode unchanged" you measured. It may be worth a line in the PR description so users running MTP/EAGLE can price the tradeoff — the feature is still clearly worth it when capacity is the binding constraint, it just isn't free everywhere. Quality — no measurable regression on a larger battery than needle
We specifically looked for the sparse-indexer block-selection drift reported on #54426 (long reasoning 6/6 → 2/6) and did not see it at RULER 15/16 or in the tool-calling battery. One implementation note: our first boot failed because the QSA warmup path calls the kernel's Happy to run anything else you'd like on the dual-GB10 setup. |
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Thanks for the review. I've addressed the two concrete items and want to Test — folded into the existing test. Dropped the separate
Both changes are made locally and lint-clean; I'll push them once I've re-run Q in FP8 / PV precision. This is the part I'd like to settle first. On Kernel hparam retune. Will do once the QK design is settled, and I'll Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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Thanks — the independent sm_121 reproduction landing on the same three-file Your explanation matches what I'd expect: fp8 K/V perturbs the target and the Good catch that the warmup path needs the scale pointer too — that is exactly On quality, your larger battery (tool-eval-bench 84.8 vs 84.6, RULER 15/16 with Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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Follow-up on the Q-in-fp8 question — I re-checked on the actual image and I was On sm_120 (RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell, triton 3.7.1) Micro-benchmarking the isolated dot at the QSA tile shapes (compute only,
So QK-in-fp8 looks worth it and PV is best left in bf16. The kernel also streams Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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End-to-end result on QK-in-fp8 — I wired it behind a flag and measured the Full kernel, fp8 e4m3 K/V cache, QK-fp8 vs bf16-QK (do_bench), sm_120:
The kernel is memory-bound on the sparse paged K/V gathers, so a faster QK dot Net: not worth it on this path, so Q stays bf16. Happy to revisit if a Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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Ran the QK x PV latency matrix (full QSA kernel, fp8 K/V, sm_120, do_bench).
You were right about PV-fp16 — it's a free win: up to ~9% faster at prefill and I'm leaving QK-fp8 out: it's slower on decode (the tiny kernel is dominated by Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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Ok let's keep Q in BF16 for now so the PR is scoped, we can do proper FP8 Q in a future PR Btw, you should retune the kernel hparams for all variants you are trying here. Right now the kernel is tuned for BF16 GB300, so i imagine it leaves a lot of perf on the table for sm120 |
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Retuned the QSA kernel config for sm_120, as you suggested. I swept BLOCK_N x num_warps x split per region with a correctness gate on BOTH
The wins come mostly from more warps (the GB300 table uses 1 warp on most Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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BF16 and FP8 KV might want different configs too |
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@semerandre @de1tydev The per-position I’ve validated the analyzer against synthetic fixtures, but I don’t have SM120/SM121 hardware to verify the live collector end-to-end. Since you already have the BF16/FP8 traces for this PR, if either of you is willing to run one case through the collector, it would be a useful check that the schema maps cleanly onto native vLLM outputs. |
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Good call — bf16 and fp8 do want different configs on sm_120, and it mattered a fp8 K/V:
bf16 K/V (the big one):
The bf16 large-prefill region was ~1.7x off on sm_120 with the single-warp Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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567-567: 🩺 Stability & Availability | 🟡 Minor | ⚡ Quick winValidate FP8 scales before the Triton launch.
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is_fp8is true, the function checks only thatk_scaleandv_scaleare CUDA tensors. It then passes them to_qsa_sparse_paged_gqa_splitk_kernel, while the other tensors are constrained toq.device. Triton requires tensor arguments to be accessible from the launch device, so a cross-device scale can fail the launch with a device-pointer error. Add the missing validation.Proposed fix
if is_fp8: assert k_scale is not None and v_scale is not None assert k_scale.numel() == 1 and v_scale.numel() == 1 assert k_scale.is_cuda and v_scale.is_cuda + assert k_scale.device == q.device and v_scale.device == q.device🤖 Prompt for AI Agents
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- Line 567: Update the FP8 validation in the QSA launch path to require k_scale
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Accept --kv-cache-dtype fp8/fp8_e4m3 for the QSA full-attention owner. The cache is allocated as uint8 and written by reshape_and_cache_flash with the layer's per-tensor scales (unchanged write path); the sparse split-K Triton kernel reinterprets the bytes as e4m3, dequantizes K/V to bf16 on load and folds the K and V scales into the logits and the (partial) output. The bf16 branch is compiled out unchanged (IS_FP8=False). Indexer and ring side caches stay bf16; their backend only accepts the fp8 strings so engine validation passes when the main cache is fp8. The impl hands the parent FlashAttention constructor "auto" because flash-attn's fp8 probe rejects sm120 while QSA never runs flash-attn over the cache. The warmup compiles the fp8 variants. Scope is deliberately fp8-only (see the scoping discussion on vllm-project#54846); nvfp4 can follow separately. Design follows the gist patch validated on the preview build in vllm-project#53896's thread, ported to the post-vllm-project#54873/vllm-project#54915 kernels. Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com> Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it>
Factor the sparse-attention problem builder out of the bf16 correctness test and add an fp8 case on the same problems: the kernel must match the reference on the dequantized cache, fold the per-tensor K/V scales, and leave the bf16 branch bitwise unchanged when the scale arguments are given. Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com> Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it>
… k_scale Review follow-up on the fp8_e4m3 KV cache PR: - Fold the fp8_e4m3 KV case into test_qsa_sparse_paged_attention_correctness via an `fp8` parameter, dropping the separate test function. - Move the per-tensor K dequant scale out of the tile loop by folding it into the softmax scale once before the loop. Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it> Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com>
…ore accurate) Measured on sm_120: upcasting the fp8 V cache to fp16 for the P.V dot is up to ~9% faster than bf16 at prefill and equal elsewhere, with equal-or-better accuracy (P<=1 fits fp16, whose mantissa beats bf16). K and the QK dot stay bf16 (fp8 QK measured slower and less accurate). Also drops a stale comment claiming Triton cannot tl.dot fp8 on sm_120. Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it> Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com>
_select_config branches on device: sm_120 (RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell) gets its own per-region tables, other archs keep the GB300 table. On sm_120 the bf16 and fp8 K/V paths want different configs, so there are two sm_120 tables selected by cache dtype. Retuned by sweeping BLOCK_N x num_warps x split with a per-path correctness gate, keeping the fastest correct config per region. vs GB300 on sm_120: fp8 decode +20%, small/mid prefill +22-27%, large prefill +14%; bf16 gains are larger, up to +30% (bp<=2048) and +70% on the large-prefill region (the GB300 single-warp config was far from optimal there on sm_120). The wins come mostly from more warps. Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it> Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com>
The fp8 path asserted the scales are CUDA but not that they live on q.device; a cross-device scale would fail the Triton launch on multi-GPU. Add the check. Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it> Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com>
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just use a fix pair of k_scale/v_scale, or randomized with torch.rand. no need to iterate over 4 combinations for each test case
Make _qsa_sparse_paged_attention_reference support FP8 KV. Then the test is simply comparing reference implementation and the production kernel
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Make a separate _select_sm120_config(), which handles both BF16 and FP8. Then _select_config() will dispatch to that function for sm120. Keep the current docstring as comment for the fallback (i.e. tuned on GB300)
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Let's do host-side KV scale. IIRC, there should be another attribute for Python scalar KV scale. Then in the kernel, expose softmax_scale argument instead. Host will do the pre-multiply of k_scale. v_scale will be treated as output_scale from the kernel's perspective.
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Thanks! Both done:
All 14 correctness cases still pass on sm120. Analysis, scripts and text prepared with AI assistance (Claude, Anthropic); |
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… temp The two largest fp8 cases (tp1_r2048_*) hit a PyTorch CUDACachingAllocator assert (NVML_SUCCESS == r) during the `.float()` upcast of the whole K/V cache on the H200 CI. The fp32 intermediate was unnecessary — the scales are exact powers of two and the fp8 (e4m3) rounding dominates — so quantize directly in bf16. This avoids the large allocation that triggered the assert and keeps the stored values identical. Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it> Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Fair, it is ugly. The parent's flash-attn probe raises on sm120 (QSA dequantizes
fp8 in its own kernel), so I hand it "auto" and restore the real dtype after —
and kv_cache_dtype can arrive positionally or as a kwarg. Happy to clean this
up (bind by name) in a follow-up so it doesn't hold up this PR.
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We likely want to remove FlashAttn subclass eventually...
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@semerandre Perhaps you can override supports_combination?
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`*args` is a tuple, so `args = list(args)` and `args[6] = "auto"` failed mypy (reassigning a tuple to a list; indexed assignment on a tuple). Use a separate `arg_list`. No behavior change. Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it> Co-authored-by: Claude <noreply@anthropic.com>
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The QSA backend already declares fp8/fp8_e4m3 support via
supported_kv_cache_dtypes and supports_kv_cache_dtype, but the inherited
FlashAttentionBackend.supports_combination still rejects fp8 KV ("requires
FA3 on SM90 or FA4 on SM100"). QSA dequantizes the fp8 cache inside its own
Triton kernel and never runs flash-attn over it, so that rejection does not
apply. Override it to skip only the fp8-KV check while keeping the sink and
mm_prefix checks.
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Signed-off-by: Andrea Semeraro <andrea.semeraro@sezione1.it>
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Tested this PR on one RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell Workstation Edition (SM120, 96 GB). The two The model was Qwen3.8-Flash-Next from a GGUF: unsloth UD-IQ4_XS loaded through vllm-gguf-plugin, with the PLE table offloaded to the CPU. Settings: Compared with the same stack on a BF16 KV cache:
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Purpose
Let Qwen3.8-Flash-Next store the main K/V cache of its QSA (sparse attention) layers in
fp8_e4m3(--kv-cache-dtype fp8), which is currently rejected on this model. The sidecaches of the QSA indexer (raw-key ring and compressed keys) stay in bf16, as does the GDN state.
Scope is deliberately fp8-only (the smallest change that halves the per-token KV footprint),
as suggested in the discussion on #54846; nvfp4 can follow separately. #54846 itself predates the
current QSA kernels (#54513, #54873, #54915 changed
ops/qsa.pysubstantially), so this is arewrite on top of them rather than a rebase. Related: #54890 (indexer fp8).
Duplicate check
gh pr list --repo vllm-project/vllm --state open --search "qwen4_exp fp8 kv"/"QSA kv cache fp8":the open PR in this area is #54846 (fp8 and nvfp4 KV on the QSA path). It has been
needs-rebasesince the QSA kernel changes of #54513 / #54873 / #54915 (644 lines changed in
ops/qsa.pysince itsbase), has had no update since the request in its thread to scope it down to fp8 first, and cannot be
applied to current main. This PR is that fp8-only scope, written against the current kernels: it does
not touch nvfp4, so #54846 can still follow for the nvfp4 part. #54890 (indexer cache fp8) is
complementary: this PR leaves the indexer side caches in bf16.
Changes
ops/qsa.py: the split-K sparse paged attention kernel gets anIS_FP8path that loads thefp8 K/V pages and applies the per-tensor K/V scales; wrapper and warm-up pass the scale pointers.
nvidia/qsa.py: the backend advertisessupports_kv_cache_dtypefor fp8, the impl accepts auint8cache view, the layer binds the fp8 cache and the scales.common/qsa_cache.py: the side caches accept the cache dtype as a string (they remain bf16).tests/models/qwen4_exp/test_qsa_reference.py: a shared problem builder and a newtest_qsa_sparse_paged_attention_fp8_kv(scales 1/1 and 0.5/2 against the bf16 reference);the existing bf16 correctness test is unchanged.
Test Plan
pytest tests/models/qwen4_exp/test_qsa_reference.py -k "sparse_paged_attention"on anRTX PRO 6000 Blackwell (SM120).
context, vision on, prefix caching on, no MTP): pool size, needle-in-a-haystack at 125K,
prefill/decode speed, per-position prompt-logprob trace bf16 vs fp8 (as requested in [RFC] Qwen3.8-Flash-Next: fp8_e4m3 KV cache on the QSA path — working patch, one machine, looking for corroboration #54426).
Commands:
pytest tests/models/qwen4_exp/test_qsa_reference.py -k "sparse_paged_attention"(RTX PRO 6000,14 passed),
ruff check/ruff format --checkon the touched files, then the serving runs below(all with PLE CPU offload from #53899 applied on the same base, TP=1).
Test Result
Kernel tests: 14 passed (fp8 and bf16 cases).
KV pool at
--max-model-len 262144, util 0.91: 434,886 tokens (bf16) → 771,704 (fp8), ×1.77.Needle at ~125K: 3/3 (three depths). Prefill 11,000 (bf16) vs 11,200 tok/s (fp8); decode
unchanged (200 tokens in 3.6 s both).
Per-position prompt-logprob trace on this base (same build,
prompt_logprobs=1, T=0), fp8 vsbf16 compared against the bf16-vs-bf16 run-to-run noise of the same build:
No drift with position (mean |Δ| per decile flat after the first decile). Greedy outputs differ
run to run on this model even in bf16 ([Bug]: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next: greedy decoding is non-deterministic from persistent_topk in prefill when prompt length nears indexer_budget (sm121/GB10) #54521), so md5 comparisons are not meaningful.
Needle-in-a-haystack with YaRN ×4 at
--max-model-len 791104: 12/12 up to 768,938 tokens(fp8 KV; the bf16 pool cannot hold that length on one GPU).
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