[Core] Disable fuse_allreduce_rms under VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT (non-deterministic under TP) - #51292
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Cross-referencing #50505 (@mosafariuk), which this composes with. Following discussion there, we're landing the two separately with cross-references — they're unrelated judgement calls and keeping them apart keeps each review scoped:
The two compose cleanly: with #50505 the fallback is the fast 1-stage custom all-reduce (~97% of fused throughput), so the ~2.5x cost measured here is a pre-#50505 artifact rather than an inherent cost of this PR. Now marked ready for review. |
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Thanks for the work, could you take a deeper look what is the root cause?
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Sure thing, here is a more in-depth explanation of the root cause with the isolating experiments. It is a run-to-run reduction race, not a batch-composition effect. The same 8 byte-identical I then isolated it to the FlashInfer all-reduce reduction itself rather than the RMSNorm fusion, with three cells over the same identical batch run 8 times. With the fused One thing I could not settle from outside the kernel, and where your read would help. FlashInfer 0.6.13 looks like it intends determinism here, I also ruled out the cheaper fixes, all still non-deterministic. Both backends, mnnvl and trtllm. On why disabling the fusion is the right fix, on cc>=9 the |
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Thanks for the work! Will user config overwrite this? eg --compilation-config '{"pass_config":{"fuse_allreduce_rms":true}}'
| # The fused all-reduce + RMSNorm path is not batch-invariant: under tensor | ||
| # parallelism it reduces in a run-to-run-varying order, so with | ||
| # VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT set the same request can produce different logprobs | ||
| # across otherwise-identical runs. Disable the fusion in that mode, mirroring | ||
| # the disable_custom_all_reduce guard in ParallelConfig. | ||
| if envs.VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT: | ||
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| # The fused all-reduce + RMSNorm path is not batch-invariant: under tensor | |
| # parallelism it reduces in a run-to-run-varying order, so with | |
| # VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT set the same request can produce different logprobs | |
| # across otherwise-identical runs. Disable the fusion in that mode, mirroring | |
| # the disable_custom_all_reduce guard in ParallelConfig. | |
| if envs.VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT: | |
| return False | |
| # The fused all-reduce + RMSNorm path is not batch-invariant | |
| if envs.VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT: | |
| return False |
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That override case is exactly what the fail-loud guard discussed in #50505 would catch: if |
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Good question, and yes it does. The guard changes the default, since |
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Agreed, the guard belongs in #50505. Thanks for carrying it there. That keeps the default fix and the fail-loud override check in their respective PRs. |
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LGTM, thanks for the work!
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…erministic under TP) The fused all-reduce + RMSNorm path (FlashInfer) is not batch-invariant: under tensor parallelism it reduces in a run-to-run-varying order, so VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT=1 still produces different logprobs across otherwise-identical runs at TP>1. Disable the fusion when batch invariance is requested, mirroring the existing disable_custom_all_reduce guard in ParallelConfig. Repro (Qwen2.5-7B, H100, same workload run 8x against one engine): TP=1 -> 1 bit-exact output (deterministic) TP=4 -> 8 distinct outputs (non-deterministic) TP=4, fusion off -> 1 bit-exact output (this fix) Signed-off-by: Don Tolley <tolleybot@gmail.com>
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Purpose
Fixes #51290.
VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT=1is bit-stable on a single GPU but non-deterministic undertensor parallelism: repeating a byte-identical workload against the same engine returns
different logprobs (and, on near-ties, different tokens) once
tensor_parallel_size > 1.The cause is the fused all-reduce + RMSNorm pass (
fuse_allreduce_rms, a FlashInferkernel), which reduces in a run-to-run-varying order under TP. It is enabled by
enable_allreduce_rms_fusion()exactly whenTP > 1on Hopper/Blackwell with flashinfer,i.e. the regime where batch invariance is expected to hold.
This disables the fusion when batch invariance is requested, mirroring the existing
disable_custom_all_reduce = Trueguard inParallelConfig(which handles the analogousnon-batch-invariant custom all-reduce path). It is an 8-line early return; TP=1 and
non-batch-invariant runs are unaffected.
Relationship to #50505
This is the Hopper/Blackwell-side complement to #50505. On cc≥90 the
fuse_allreduce_rmspass replaces the TP all-reduce with a FlashInfer fused kernel, bypassing the custom
all-reduce that #50505 pins to its deterministic 1-stage path. Disabling the fusion here
lets the all-reduce fall through to that path. The two compose: with #50505 the fallback
is the fast 1-stage custom all-reduce (~97% throughput); without it, NCCL (see
Performance). On A100 the fusion pass is inactive (cc<90), so #50505 alone covers that
hardware; this PR is what extends the fix to Hopper/Blackwell.
Test Plan
Run the same workload 8 times against one engine and count distinct bit-exact outputs
(from #51290). Requires the
if __name__ == "__main__":guard because TP>1 uses spawn.Test Result
Qwen2.5-7B-Instruct, H100, vLLM 0.25.1 (the fix function is byte-identical on
main):tensor_parallel_size=1tensor_parallel_size=4, beforetensor_parallel_size=4, after this PRWith the fix,
VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT=1at TP=4 auto-disables the fusion (theEnabled custom fusions: allreduce_rms/Auto-selected flashinfer allreducelog linesdisappear) and the 8 identical runs collapse to a single bit-exact output. Also confirmed
on Llama-3.1-70B (dense, TP=4), and the bug reproduces on both 0.20.2 and 0.25.1.
Performance
Disabling the fusion has a throughput cost, confined to
VLLM_BATCH_INVARIANT=1+ TP>1(non-batch-invariant runs and TP=1 are unaffected). Decode-heavy generation, TP=4, H100:
This cost reflects the NCCL fallback used before #50505. With #50505's deterministic
1-stage custom all-reduce enabled, the all-reduce falls through to that path instead,
which runs at ~97% of fused throughput at default dispatch. So the number above is a
pre-#50505 artifact, not an inherent cost of this PR.
The cost is largest for decode-heavy workloads, where the all-reduce runs every layer per
token; prefill-heavy workloads (long prompt, few output tokens) see considerably less.
I checked whether a cheaper, performance-preserving fix inside the fused kernel exists, and
none does. The fused kernel is nondeterministic by construction, and no config knob
restores determinism:
mnnvlandtrtllmare nondeterministic on 0.25.1 (H100).mnnvl(multicast/Lamport) diverges with token flips.trtllm(fixed-order fp32reduction, but Lamport/two-shot) is smaller-magnitude yet still not bit-exact: 8 distinct
logprob groups over 8 identical runs (0 token flips that run, but the sub-bit-exact
residual still tips near-ties at scale).
fp32_acc: alreadyTrueby default, insufficient.enable_flashinfer_autotune=Falsedoes not help. The divergence isintra-process (repeated
generate()against one engine diverge with the kernel selectionalready fixed), so it is the kernel's runtime reduction order, not autotune selection.
use_oneshot=Trueoverflows the one-shot workspace on largetensors, and the one-shot path is itself nondeterministic on small tensors.
So disabling the fusion under BI is the correct trade, consistent with the existing
disable_custom_all_reduceguard. Performance is recovered by #50505 (the deterministic1-stage custom all-reduce this PR falls through to). A fully-fused deterministic kernel
would only claw back the last few percent over that and is not needed here.