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[Bugfix] Route FP8 MoE + LoRA to Marlin (W8A16) so MoE-LoRA kernels get unquantized activations - #45265

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Fixes the remaining actionable part of #45101: make FP8 MoE + --enable-lora actually work, instead of crashing (today) or failing fast (#45130).

Root cause (matches the analysis in #45130 and my writeup on the issue): with an FP8 base MoE, the auto-selected w8a8 backends (e.g. TritonExperts) quantize activations to fp8 before the experts run, so the Triton MoE-LoRA shrink kernel receives fp8 x and crashes on the mixed fp8 × bf16 tl.dotAssertionError: Unsupported lhs dtype fp8e4nv (Triton permits fp8 dot operands only when both sides are fp8). Arch-independent.

Fix: in select_fp8_moe_backend, when LoRA is enabled, route to the Marlin (W8A16) backend — activations stay in the original dtype and MarlinExperts already mixes in LoRAExpertsMixin, so the combination works. This mirrors the existing LoRA special case in the unquantized oracle (oracle/unquantized.py). Explicit --moe-backend / env overrides are still honored and fail with a clear reason via is_supported_config if incompatible.

Why this is not duplicating an existing PR

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  • New unit test tests/kernels/moe/test_fp8_backend_selection.py (block-fp8 and per-tensor fp8 schemes → MARLIN when is_lora_enabled).
  • End-to-end on the issue's hardware class — RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell (SM 12.0), Qwen/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-FP8 (block-fp8 [128,128], E=256), enable_lora=True, max_lora_rank=64.

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…nquantized activations

With an FP8 base MoE and LoRA enabled, the auto-selected w8a8 backends
(e.g. Triton) quantize activations to fp8 before the experts run, so the
Triton MoE-LoRA shrink kernel receives fp8 x and crashes on the mixed
fp8 x bf16 tl.dot with 'AssertionError: Unsupported lhs dtype fp8e4nv'
during the profiling forward. This is arch-independent.

Route FP8 MoE + LoRA to the Marlin (W8A16) backend in
select_fp8_moe_backend: activations stay in the original dtype and
MarlinExperts already mixes in LoRAExpertsMixin, so the combination
actually works instead of failing. Mirrors the existing LoRA special
case in the unquantized oracle. Explicit --moe-backend / env overrides
are still honored (and fail with a clear reason via is_supported_config).

Validated end-to-end on RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell (SM 12.0) with
Qwen/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-FP8 + enable_lora: before = engine-init crash,
after = MARLIN selected and coherent generation.

Fixes the remaining actionable part of vllm-project#45101 (complementary to the
fail-fast in vllm-project#45130).

Co-authored-by: Claude
Signed-off-by: WEI CHENG CHIU <waynehacking8@gmail.com>
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Design note on scope (prompted by an offline review question — being explicit about what this PR is and isn't):

This PR is an availability fix at the selection layer, not the root fix. The root problem is that the Triton MoE-LoRA shrink consumes whatever activations the base path produces, and with w8a8 backends that's fp8 — and the bf16 LoRA-adapter dot can't take it.

The root fix is actually within reach in-tree: vLLM already has an fp8 MoE-LoRA kernel family (lora/ops/triton_ops/fused_moe_lora_fp8_op.py, fp8_kernel_utils.py — dequant-in-kernel via a_scale/b_scale), currently serving the fp8-quantized-adapter feature. The MoE LoRA dispatch in punica_gpu.py:add_lora_w13/add_lora_w2 hardcodes use_fp8_w8a8=False, and the LoRAExpertsMixin hooks don't thread a1q_scale through. Plumbing the activation scale into the hooks and dispatching to an fp8-input shrink variant would let FP8 MoE + LoRA keep the w8a8 base path (better large-batch throughput than the Marlin W8A16 route this PR selects).

Why I'd still merge this PR first:

  • It makes the combination work today with an 8-line change that mirrors the existing LoRA precedent in oracle/unquantized.py, and converts a crash into a correct serving path.
  • The kernel-level fix is a larger, independent change (punica API + dispatch + numerics validation), and the two compose cleanly: once fp8-activation LoRA kernels land, the Marlin branch added here can simply be deleted.

I'm happy to do that follow-up (I have SM120 + H100-class hardware for validation) — but flagging it here first in case the LoRA owners prefer a different design or want to take it.

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Closing in favor of #42120, which fixes this at the root: it threads the original unquantized hidden states into the MoE-LoRA shrink kernel (via MoELoRAContext.original_hidden_states), so the default Triton w8a8 FP8 MoE+LoRA path works correctly without escaping to Marlin W8A16 — keeping the higher-throughput path and also fixing the base-model corruption (#42008).

I validated #42120 on RTX PRO 6000 (SM120) and confirmed it resolves the same Unsupported lhs dtype fp8e4nv crash with byte-identical no-LoRA output, and my own design note here noted the Marlin reroute could be deleted once a root fix lands. That fix is #42120. Thanks!

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