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perf(cake_rmsnorm_det): faster H 256 dw reduce and dc main, register-compensated H 1536 backward - #8319
This PR changes the non-residual backward pass of the deterministic Cake RMSNorm training package (cake_rmsnorm_det_train). The package covers BF16 and FP32 weights, residual and non-residual inputs, row widths H 256 (per-head view) / 512 / 1536 / 2048 / 4096 / 5120 / 6144, and both forward and backward passes. It adds new kernels for two large-row-count routes. The first is H 256 backward (contiguous rows, key view [T,4,256], query view [T,24,256], BF16 and FP32 weight) above 80896 rows on sm_100a, 40960 rows on sm_103a and 70656 rows on sm_107a. That route now splits the dw column reduction over more thread blocks, and on sm_100a and sm_107a it also uses a lighter load pipeline in the main backward kernel. The second is H 1536 backward with the compensated dw sum, which now keeps its compensation terms in registers: FP32 weight above 40448 rows on sm_103a, and BF16 and FP32 weight above 45056 rows on sm_107a. Every row is faster than both the previous Cake package and torch.compile (listed in that order):
B200 (sm_100a), H 256: 1.046x-1.085x and 1.056x-1.181x.
GB300 (sm_103a), H 256: 1.006x-1.052x and 1.029x-1.330x; H 1536 FP32 weight: 1.012x-1.019x and 1.407x-1.525x.
R200 (sm_107a), H 256: 1.051x-1.153x and 1.132x-1.613x; H 1536 BF16 weight: 1.013x-1.023x and 1.483x-1.570x; H 1536 FP32 weight: 1.020x-1.024x and 4.067x-4.384x.
NVIDIA B200 (148 SMs), sm_100a; CUDA 13.4 (kernels built with nvcc 13.4), PyTorch 2.14.1+cu130, Triton 3.8.0. Backward pass. Latency = CUPTI kernel-active time per call, cold L2, median of 4 x 20 calls per process. Previous Cake = the previously shipped Cake package; Cake = this package; both through the package's public backward entry point in the same processes (counterbalanced). Each Cake value = fastest measured process over the row's formal sessions (4 sessions; each session a fresh process set with fresh caches, one GPU per session). torch.compile = fastest measured per-shape static compile (FP32 formula, dynamic=False; minimum over every process of the formal sessions and a tc-only sweep, each with a fresh inductor / Triton cache). Speedup = baseline / Cake.
Shape
T
Pass
Previous Cake (us)
Cake (us)
Speedup vs previous Cake
torch.compile (us)
Speedup vs torch.compile
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (T = rows)
80897
bwd
33.080
30.488
1.085x
36.000
1.181x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 98304)
4096
bwd
37.504
34.960
1.073x
40.185
1.149x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (rows = 4 T = 131072)
32768
bwd
46.256
43.176
1.071x
49.224
1.140x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (rows = 4 T = 262144)
65536
bwd
79.496
74.968
1.060x
87.095
1.162x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 393216)
16384
bwd
112.409
106.408
1.056x
125.073
1.175x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 1572864)
65536
bwd
402.183
384.352
1.046x
405.839
1.056x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (T = rows)
80897
bwd
32.856
30.320
1.084x
34.361
1.133x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 98304)
4096
bwd
37.352
34.648
1.078x
40.192
1.160x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (rows = 4 T = 131072)
32768
bwd
46.104
43.008
1.072x
49.240
1.145x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (rows = 4 T = 262144)
65536
bwd
79.296
74.441
1.065x
85.776
1.152x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 393216)
16384
bwd
112.088
105.248
1.065x
122.081
1.160x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 1572864)
65536
bwd
400.952
383.119
1.047x
406.279
1.060x
NVIDIA GB300 (152 SMs), sm_103a; CUDA 13.4 (kernels built with nvcc 13.4), PyTorch 2.14.1+cu130, Triton 3.8.0. Backward pass. Latency = CUPTI kernel-active time per call, cold L2, median of 4 x 20 calls per process. Previous Cake = the previously shipped Cake package; Cake = this package; both through the package's public backward entry point in the same processes (counterbalanced). Each Cake value = fastest measured process over the row's formal sessions (4 sessions on 18 rows, 8 sessions on 6 rows; each session a fresh process set with fresh caches, one GPU per session). torch.compile = fastest measured per-shape static compile (FP32 formula, dynamic=False; minimum over every process of the formal sessions and a tc-only sweep, each with a fresh inductor / Triton cache). Speedup = baseline / Cake.
Shape
T
Pass
Previous Cake (us)
Cake (us)
Speedup vs previous Cake
torch.compile (us)
Speedup vs torch.compile
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (T = rows)
40961
bwd
19.752
19.280
1.024x
25.648
1.330x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (T = rows)
65536
bwd
25.256
24.672
1.024x
29.856
1.210x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (rows = 4 T = 70400)
17600
bwd
26.504
26.016
1.019x
30.808
1.184x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 98304)
4096
bwd
32.664
32.160
1.016x
37.752
1.174x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (T = rows)
99841
bwd
35.768
34.016
1.052x
39.432
1.159x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (rows = 4 T = 131072)
32768
bwd
43.176
41.361
1.044x
49.200
1.190x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (rows = 4 T = 262144)
65536
bwd
73.312
71.544
1.025x
83.752
1.171x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 393216)
16384
bwd
103.096
101.224
1.018x
116.792
1.154x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 1572864)
65536
bwd
371.936
369.897
1.006x
381.664
1.032x
H 1536: [T, 1536], FP32 weight
40449
bwd
66.688
65.472
1.019x
99.848
1.525x
H 1536: [T, 1536], FP32 weight
52992
bwd
84.088
83.080
1.012x
116.864
1.407x
H 1536: [T, 1536], FP32 weight
65536
bwd
101.176
99.920
1.013x
143.992
1.441x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (T = rows)
40961
bwd
19.720
19.264
1.024x
24.296
1.261x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (T = rows)
65536
bwd
25.136
24.432
1.029x
29.312
1.200x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (rows = 4 T = 70400)
17600
bwd
26.456
25.864
1.023x
29.592
1.144x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 98304)
4096
bwd
32.464
31.936
1.017x
38.760
1.214x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (T = rows)
99841
bwd
35.776
34.032
1.051x
40.024
1.176x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (rows = 4 T = 131072)
32768
bwd
43.344
41.576
1.043x
48.424
1.165x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (rows = 4 T = 262144)
65536
bwd
73.560
71.680
1.026x
84.512
1.179x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 393216)
16384
bwd
103.608
101.432
1.021x
115.528
1.139x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 1572864)
65536
bwd
373.568
371.296
1.006x
382.072
1.029x
NVIDIA R200 (212-SM board class), sm_107a; CUDA 13.4 (kernels built with nvcc 13.4), PyTorch 2.14.1+cu130, Triton 3.8.0. Backward pass. Latency = CUPTI kernel-active time per call, cold L2, median of 4 x 20 calls per process. Previous Cake = the previously shipped Cake package; Cake = this package; both through the package's public backward entry point in the same processes (counterbalanced). Each Cake value = fastest measured process over the row's formal sessions (4 sessions; each session a fresh process set with fresh caches, one GPU per session). torch.compile = fastest measured per-shape static compile (FP32 formula, dynamic=False; minimum over every process of the formal sessions and a tc-only sweep, each with a fresh inductor / Triton cache). Speedup = baseline / Cake. R200 numbers are from the 212-SM R200 board class (4-GPU R200 nodes with 212 SMs per GPU); boards with 216 SMs are a separate class and are not mixed into this table.
Shape
T
Pass
Previous Cake (us)
Cake (us)
Speedup vs previous Cake
torch.compile (us)
Speedup vs torch.compile
H 1536: [T, 1536], BF16 weight
45057
bwd
46.728
45.688
1.023x
67.736
1.483x
H 1536: [T, 1536], BF16 weight
55296
bwd
54.633
53.737
1.017x
84.344
1.570x
H 1536: [T, 1536], BF16 weight
65536
bwd
61.600
60.832
1.013x
93.873
1.543x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (T = rows)
70657
bwd
22.800
19.776
1.153x
24.224
1.225x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 98304)
4096
bwd
27.056
23.712
1.141x
29.024
1.224x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (rows = 4 T = 131072)
32768
bwd
32.376
28.497
1.136x
34.016
1.194x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, BF16 weight (rows = 4 T = 262144)
65536
bwd
52.297
47.529
1.100x
54.993
1.157x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 393216)
16384
bwd
71.505
66.088
1.082x
84.800
1.283x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), BF16 weight (rows = 24 T = 1572864)
65536
bwd
242.674
230.938
1.051x
261.434
1.132x
H 1536: [T, 1536], FP32 weight
45057
bwd
46.504
45.416
1.024x
184.730
4.067x
H 1536: [T, 1536], FP32 weight
55296
bwd
54.264
53.224
1.020x
221.330
4.158x
H 1536: [T, 1536], FP32 weight
65536
bwd
61.688
60.409
1.021x
264.858
4.384x
H 256: [rows, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (T = rows)
70657
bwd
22.752
19.752
1.152x
31.656
1.603x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 98304)
4096
bwd
27.152
23.688
1.146x
37.072
1.565x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (rows = 4 T = 131072)
32768
bwd
32.640
28.336
1.152x
45.704
1.613x
H 256 key: [T, 4, 256] contiguous, FP32 weight (rows = 4 T = 262144)
65536
bwd
52.584
47.128
1.116x
54.408
1.154x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 393216)
16384
bwd
71.784
65.552
1.095x
85.304
1.301x
H 256 query: [T, 24, 256] view, strides (12288, 512, 1), FP32 weight (rows = 24 T = 1572864)
65536
bwd
243.970
228.898
1.066x
262.170
1.145x
The other Cake variants of this family are unchanged: forward, residual backward, H 512 / 2048 / 4096 / 5120 / 6144, all smaller row counts, and sm_103a H 1536 with BF16 weight; the family ships on sm_100a, sm_103a and sm_107a.
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New Features
Expanded deterministic RMSNorm training support for additional NVIDIA GPU architectures and workload sizes, including hidden sizes 256 and 1536.
Added support for applicable FP32 weight configurations across the newly supported routes.
Performance
Updated execution paths for selected workloads to improve how training computations are handled across supported GPU architectures.
…compensated H 1536 backward
Three backward changes, each bitwise equal (dx and dw) to the program it replaces:
- H = 256 dw reduce: a column-split form of the slab-16 chain (one column of a four-column slab per lane, the
same chains in the same order) runs over 64 CTAs instead of 16. Its TwoSum form reduces the compensated-dot
windows on SM100 (above 80896 rows), SM103 (above 99840) and SM107 (above 70656); its Kahan form the SM103 ring
window between 40960 and 99840 rows.
- H = 256 compensated-dot ring on SM100 and SM107: a lean form (two rows per iteration, the same arithmetic in
the same row order) serves its windows.
- H = 1536 above the accuracy edge on SM103 (40448 rows) and SM107 (45056 rows): the compensated block sums are
kept in registers instead of the shared-memory fold buffer.
The programs they replace stay in the package. cake_windows.py records the measured class of the backward
edges measured since, and the pairs test follows the lean ring.
This change adds deterministic RMSNorm backward CUDA kernels and TVM-FFI bindings, updates SM100, SM103, and SM107 route selections, and adds AOT build records. It also updates route-window classifications and tests for the affected programs.
The 384-thread kernels use chunk scheduling, shared-memory staging, and barrier or descriptor coordination to compute dx and partial gradients. Their bindings validate tensors and launch parameters.
The reducer kernels sum chunk partials into four dw values. Their bindings validate inputs and launch the reducers.
Route selection and AOT registration flashinfer/cake_rmsnorm_det_train_backend/cake_jit.py, flashinfer/cake_rmsnorm_det_train_backend/cake_windows.py, flashinfer/cake_rmsnorm_det_train_backend/build.json, tests/norm/test_cake_rmsnorm_det_train_pairs.py
SM100, SM103, and SM107 backward routes select the added programs for affected hidden sizes and row-count windows. AOT records and route expectations are updated, including measured-identical edge classifications.
sequenceDiagram
participant CakeJIT
participant TVMFFIBinding
participant RMSNormKernel
participant PartialReducer
CakeJIT->>TVMFFIBinding: selects the route and invokes run
TVMFFIBinding->>RMSNormKernel: launches with tensors and chunk parameters
RMSNormKernel->>PartialReducer: writes partial gradients for reduction
PartialReducer->>TVMFFIBinding: writes the four weight-gradient outputs
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flashinfer-ai/flashinfer#7045 — The PR updates H=256 backward kernels and dispatch, but the supplied summary does not show support for the issue’s strided 3-D layout.
flashinfer-ai/flashinfer#8066 — The PR updates deterministic backward kernels for H=256 and H=1536, which overlaps the issue’s listed widths; it does not include the issue’s non-deterministic implementation.
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This change adds faster non-residual RMSNorm backward kernels for several GPU architectures. One added kernel variant is built and packaged but never selected, which adds build-size and maintenance overhead without affecting results. It is safe to merge, with a follow-up cleanup of the orphaned module.
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…kward for the BF16 weight on SM103
On SM103 above 40448 rows (H = 1536) the register-compensated backward is faster than the shared-memory compensated
one with the FP32 weight on every GPU measured, and not with the BF16 weight. The BF16-weight route returns to the
shared-memory program; the FP32-weight route keeps the FP32-weight form of the register program (the same window,
launch, workspace and dw reduce, bitwise equal dx and dw).
cake_windows.py lists that FP32-weight route with its own windows and edges and records the two SM107 H 256 backward
edges measured since (70656 and 1572864 rows: y, rstd and dx bitwise equal across them); the pairs test knows such
routes. The kernels are unchanged.
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A survey of the routed programs of every backward route whose lowest
window runs a deterministic pair, other than the SM107 FP32-weight
H = 4096 route (below), at every T from 1 to 64 and T 96, 127 to 129,
192, 255 and 256 on B200, GB300 and a 212-SM R200, and on the R200 also
at every T up to 256 on H = 512, H = 2048 and H = 256 ([T, 256] input),
with 60 inputs of each of three families and more token counts sampled
near each cut, finds on all 35 of these routes that the pair's median dw
error over all inputs, or on the FP32-weight, H = 5120 and H = 256
routes also its worst dw error, exceeds the FP32 eager reduction's at
some sampled T (on four of them only at T 3 and by less than 0.0001 of
the budget). On 27 of these routes a single kernel that the route
already runs in another window (FP64 dw column sums; on 8 of them the
twosum form) is no worse than the eager reduction by those readings at
every sampled T up to a cut, and the pair is no worse at every sampled T
above the cut, except as noted below. The single kernel now runs from
T 1 up to the cut and the pair above it (cut in tokens; in rows on
H = 256; each cut is set for its weight dtype alone):
- SM100: BF16 weight 14 on H = 1536 and 26 on H = 512; FP32 weight 64 on
H = 1536 and 22 on H = 5120;
- SM103: BF16 weight 14 on H = 1536, 12 on H = 2048, 1080 rows on
H = 256 and 22 on H = 5120; FP32 weight 64 on H = 1536, 42 on
H = 2048, 1080 rows on H = 256, 15 on H = 4096, 22 on H = 5120, 20 on
H = 6144 and 6 on residual H = 6144;
- SM107: BF16 weight 14 on H = 1536, 6 on H = 2048, 1056 rows on
H = 256, 6 on H = 4096 and 18 on H = 5120; FP32 weight 64 on H = 1536,
127 on H = 2048, 1296 rows on H = 256, 229 on H = 512, 13 on H = 5120,
20 on H = 6144 and 3 on residual H = 6144.
Two SM107 FP32-weight windows also move, because on a 216-SM R200 the
worst dw error of the deterministic pairs that ran there exceeds the
FP32 eager reduction's. The H = 6144 pair does so at T 29184 (0.8224
against 0.8121 of the per-element budget), so the single kernel now
runs above T 28672 instead of 30720. The pair that ran H = 4096 from
T 1 to 256 does so at T 64 (0.0256 against 0.0233); on a 212-SM R200
its median dw error also exceeds the eager reduction's at T 4 (0.0024
against 0.0022), and its worst at T 8 and 16 (0.0079 against 0.0078 and
0.0109 against 0.0106) and, on the input family for which the
BF16-weight H = 4096 pair computes the same dw (measured with that
pair), at T 5, 6, 9 and 20 (0.0043 against 0.0037, 0.0063 against
0.0049, 0.0071 against 0.0070 and 0.0119 against 0.0108). Those token
counts now run the single kernel that the route runs above T 24064,
whose median and worst dw errors are no worse than the eager
reduction's at every sampled T up to 256 on a 212-SM R200. The main
kernel of that H = 4096 pair is no longer shipped.
Still failing at this commit: on four H = 512 routes the deterministic
pair still runs from T 1. Its median dw error exceeds the FP32 eager
reduction's at sampled token counts up to T 30 with FP32 weight on SM100
(B200) and SM103 (GB300), up to T 26 with BF16 weight on SM103 and up to
T 77 with BF16 weight on SM107 (212-SM R200); with FP32 weight on SM100
and SM103 its worst dw error also does at sampled token counts up to
T 292. The deterministic pair also still runs from T 1 with BF16 weight
on H = 4096 and H = 6144 of SM103 (GB300) and on H = 6144 and residual
H = 6144 of SM107 (212-SM R200); there its median dw error exceeds the
eager reduction's at T 3, by less than 0.0001 of the budget (to four
decimals both medians are 0.0018 on SM103 H = 4096 and 0.0019 on the
other three routes). On GB300 the worst dw error of the SM103
FP32-weight H = 1536 pair, which now runs from T 65 to 1024, exceeds the
eager reduction's at T 320 (0.0596 against 0.0583 of the budget).
Cost: the single kernel's median backward time against the deterministic
pair's in each of two timing sessions, and on GB300 also over the
samples of both sessions (CUDA graph, L2 flushed before every replay,
memory clock checked at the board maximum), at T 1, 4, 8 and 16 where
those are at most the cut and at the cut (on H = 256 also at the cut in
the 4-head and 24-head views):
- B200 (148 SMs): 1.205-1.367x on H = 1536 and 0.952-1.150x on H = 512;
with FP32 weight 1.157-1.304x on H = 1536 and 1.610-1.872x on
H = 5120.
- GB300 (152 SMs): 1.889-2.088x on H = 1536, 1.890-2.105x on H = 2048,
1.014-1.276x on H = 256 and 2.672-32.000x on H = 5120; with FP32
weight 1.904-2.018x on H = 1536, 1.941-2.224x on H = 2048,
0.995-1.286x on H = 256, 2.416-2.590x on H = 4096, 2.636-2.805x on
H = 5120, 2.844-32.895x on H = 6144 and 6.149-34.422x on residual
H = 6144. The largest ratios are at T 1, where the single kernels
take 174.640 us (H = 5120), 209.503 us (FP32-weight H = 6144) and
207.376 us (FP32-weight residual H = 6144) against 5.872, 6.464 and
6.144 us for the pairs; the median time of every timed single kernel
is at most 0.21 ms.
- R200: not timed, including the two SM107 windows that move for the
216-SM results.
The window tables record the measured outcome at each of the 29 new
backward edges: dx is bitwise identical across each one (4 on SM100,
measured on B200; 11 on SM103, GB300; 14 on SM107, R200 with 212
SMs). For each of the 56 new backward windows they record the smallest
side allocation (100 or 132 KB per CTA) beside which it waits for a
kernel resident on every SM, or that it waits beside neither. New
windows that wait beside a smaller allocation than the program that ran
their token counts before: SM100 bwd_w32_h5120 (0, 22]; SM103 none;
SM107 none.
The registry comments of the new windows state their measured reason;
the window notes name the twosum windows from T 1 and the small-T
windows; the dx test comments name the SM100 BF16-weight H = 512 and
H = 1536 small-T windows, and the H = 5120 test comment lists the
small-T single kernels. Comment fixes: the B200 timing note of the
FP32-weight H = 1536 single kernel names its timed token counts
(0.941-0.965x), six SM107 comments keep only their 212-SM R200 timing,
and the H = 5120 test comment gives the 212-SM bound of the compensated
pair as 0.825 (0.8247 at T 42496). The window notes now say which dw
reduce the deterministic pairs of SM103 H = 256 run above 5120 rows
(since flashinfer-ai#8319 the deterministic package runs other dw reduces from 40960
to 1572864 rows; these windows keep the ones they were measured with),
and four registry comments of those routes no longer call those pairs
the deterministic package's. The mixed-form workspace test in
test_cake_rmsnorm_train_pairs.py takes the first BF16-weight route
without residual of SM100, SM103 or SM107 that runs the deterministic
pair at 1 and 257 tokens: no SM100 route does so now.
…#8253)
Follow-up to #8208 for the opt-in non-deterministic weight gradient
(deterministic=False) of flashinfer.cake_rmsnorm_train.
Forward: on every architecture, route and token count the package now
runs the program the deterministic package selects (its programs and
windows rendered into this package), so y, rstd and the residual output
are bitwise equal to deterministic=True. In #8208 the H = 256 routes
and, on SM100 and SM103, the H = 5120 routes ran forward windows and
programs that differ from the deterministic package's.
Why the backward windows move: in #8208 dw elements of five routed
deterministic pairs besides the SM107 H = 5120 pair (below) exceed the
per-element budget (atol 1e-4 + rtol 1e-4 against FP64 at the kernel's
FP32 rstd) at sampled token counts up to 65536: on GB300 (SM103)
H = 4096 at T 50688 (1.032 of the budget) and the FP32-weight H = 6144
route at T 56320 (1.010; 1.085 at T 54273 against FP64 at torch's FP32
rstd), and on a 212-SM R200 (SM107) both H = 6144 routes at T 31040
(1.057) and the FP32-weight H = 1536 route at T 61952 (1.020). Up to
T 65536, six more routed pair windows reach more than 0.85 of the budget
with inputs of their own weight dtype: on B200 (SM100) H = 2048 (0.883
at T 59392), H = 4096 (0.923 at T 52737) and its FP32-weight route
(0.909 at T 44544 and 0.916 at T 65024; 0.983 at T 63488 against FP64 at
torch's FP32 rstd), on GB300 the FP32-weight H = 2048 (0.904 at T 62464)
and H = 5120 (0.888 at T 62464) routes, and on a 212-SM R200 H = 1536
(0.980 at T 62976). On a 212-SM R200 the BF16-weight form of the
FP32-weight H = 2048 pair, the same dw computation, reaches 0.900 of the
budget at T 51200 (0.873 at T 55296 on a 216-SM R200), and on GB300 the
FP32-weight form of the BF16-weight H = 1536 pair, the same dw
computation, reaches 0.890 at T 47104. The worst dw error of seven
FP32-weight pairs exceeds the FP32 eager reduction's: on a 212-SM R200
H = 512 at T 1088, 1664, 1920 and 2368, H = 4096 at T 24576 (0.7328
against 0.7241), H = 6144 at T 30784 (0.8671 against 0.8066) and H = 256
at 2048 rows (512 tokens of 4 heads; 0.1435 against 0.1158), on B200
H = 1536 at T 33280 (0.6840 against 0.6219), and on GB300 H = 1536 at
T 38400 (0.7399 against 0.7092) and H = 4096 at T 9728 (0.3383 against
0.3332). On a 216-SM R200 the worst dw error of the SM107 FP32-weight
H = 6144 pair exceeds the eager reduction's at T 29184 (0.8224 against
0.8121), and that of the SM107 FP32-weight H = 4096 pair that ran from
T 1 to 256 at T 64 (0.0256 against 0.0233). On a 212-SM R200 the median
dw error of that H = 4096 pair also exceeds the eager reduction's at T 4
(0.0024 against 0.0022), and its worst at T 8 and 16 (0.0079 against
0.0078 and 0.0109 against 0.0106) and, on the input family for which the
BF16-weight H = 4096 pair computes the same dw (measured with that
pair), at T 5, 6, 9 and 20 (0.0043 against 0.0037, 0.0063 against
0.0049, 0.0071 against 0.0070 and 0.0119 against 0.0108).
Backward windows: the single kernel (FP64 dw column sums; twosum
per-thread sums on SM103 and on SM107 FP32-weight H = 2048) now runs
above
- SM100: T 58880 on H = 2048, T 44032 on H = 4096 and T 32768 on
FP32-weight H = 1536;
- SM103: T 49152 on H = 6144, T 61952 on H = 5120 and H = 2048, T 46592
on BF16-weight and T 37888 on FP32-weight H = 1536, and T 50176 on
BF16-weight and T 9216 on FP32-weight H = 4096;
- SM107: T 30720 on BF16-weight and T 28672 on FP32-weight H = 6144,
T 53248 on H = 1536, T 24064 on FP32-weight H = 4096, T 50176 on
FP32-weight H = 2048 (where the BF16-weight route already ends) and
1536 rows on FP32-weight H = 256; FP32-weight H = 512 runs it above
T 1024 up to T 4096, and FP32-weight H = 4096 also from T 1 to 256
(the single kernel of that route's top window).
Each move covers both weight dtypes unless a weight is named: the
BF16- and FP32-weight deterministic pairs compute the same dw for equal
inputs, so a failing input of one is a failing input of the other. A
worst error above the FP32 eager reduction's (read on the FP32-weight,
H = 5120 and H = 256 routes) moves only the route on which it
occurs. SM103 H = 2048 (its twosum form) and SM107 H = 1536 get new
single kernel programs, builds of the same kernel sources; SM107
FP32-weight H = 512 runs a single kernel program this package ships for
SM100, now also built for SM107; the other moved windows run single
kernel programs this package already ships for their architecture. The
main kernels of the SM100 FP32-weight H = 1536 pair that ran from
T 32768 to 36864 and of the SM107 FP32-weight H = 4096 pair that ran
from T 1 to 256 are no longer shipped.
Small token counts: a survey of the routed programs of every backward
route whose lowest window ran a deterministic pair in #8208, other than
the SM107 FP32-weight H = 4096 route (above), at every T from 1 to 64
and T 96, 127 to 129, 192, 255 and 256 on B200, GB300 and a 212-SM
R200, and on the R200 also at every T up to 256 on H = 512, H = 2048
and H = 256 ([T, 256] input), with 60 inputs of each of three families
and more token counts sampled near and above each cut, finds on all 35
of these routes that the pair's median dw error over all inputs, or on
the FP32-weight, H = 5120 and H = 256 routes also its worst dw error,
exceeds the FP32 eager reduction's at some sampled T (on four of them
only at T 3 and by less than 0.0001 of the budget). On every one of
these routes a single kernel now runs from T 1 up to a cut and the pair
above it: the single kernel is no worse than the eager reduction by
those readings at every sampled T up to the cut, and the pair at every
sampled T above it (on SM103 FP32-weight H = 1536, over the 60 inputs
of each family, the pair's worst dw error exceeds the eager reduction's
at T 320, 0.0596 against 0.0583 of the budget, so its cut is 320). On
31 of these routes the single kernel is one that the route also runs in
a higher window (on 9 of them the twosum form). On FP32-weight H = 512
of SM100 and SM103 no single kernel the route ran passes there (SM103
ran none): over the 60 inputs of each family an FP64-accumulating
single kernel of the same tiling, on SM100 the one that route runs
above T 960, exceeds the eager reduction's worst dw error at T 4
(0.0033 against 0.0032), so they run a twosum single kernel, new
programs; on BF16-weight H = 512 SM103 and SM107 ran no single kernel,
and they run an FP64-accumulating one, a new program on SM103 and on
SM107 the program this package runs on SM100 H = 512. The cuts (in
tokens; in rows on H = 256; each cut is set for its weight dtype
alone):
- SM100: BF16 weight 14 on H = 1536 and 26 on H = 512; FP32 weight 64 on
H = 1536, 22 on H = 5120 and 292 on H = 512;
- SM103: BF16 weight 14 on H = 1536, 12 on H = 2048, 1080 rows on
H = 256, 22 on H = 5120, 26 on H = 512 and 3 on H = 4096 and H = 6144;
FP32 weight 320 on H = 1536, 42 on H = 2048, 1080 rows on H = 256, 15
on H = 4096, 22 on H = 5120, 20 on H = 6144, 6 on residual H = 6144
and 292 on H = 512;
- SM107: BF16 weight 14 on H = 1536, 6 on H = 2048, 1056 rows on
H = 256, 6 on H = 4096, 18 on H = 5120, 77 on H = 512 and 3 on
H = 6144 and residual H = 6144; FP32 weight 64 on H = 1536, 127 on
H = 2048, 1296 rows on H = 256, 229 on H = 512, 13 on H = 5120, 20 on
H = 6144 and 3 on residual H = 6144.
Cost: the single kernel's median backward time against the deterministic
pair it replaces, over the timing sessions and their pooled medians
(CUDA graph, L2 flushed before every replay):
- B200 (148 SMs): 1.001-1.012x on H = 2048 and 0.997-1.005x on
FP32-weight H = 2048 (T 58881 to 65536); 0.983-1.064x on H = 4096 and
0.980-1.043x on FP32-weight H = 4096 (T 44033 to 65536); 0.941-0.965x
on FP32-weight H = 1536 (T 32769 to 36864);
- GB300 (152 SMs): 1.297-1.311x on BF16-weight H = 1536 (T 46593 to
53248) and 1.322-1.336x on FP32-weight H = 1536 (T 37889 to 45056);
1.118-1.137x on H = 2048 and 1.183-1.200x on FP32-weight H = 2048
(T 61953 to 65536); 1.019-1.034x on BF16-weight H = 4096 (T 50177 to
63488) and 1.013-1.093x on FP32-weight H = 4096 (T 9217 to 23552);
1.136-1.154x on H = 5120 and 1.167-1.183x on FP32-weight H = 5120
(T 61953 to 65536); 1.051-1.061x on H = 6144 (T 49153 to 51200) and
1.062-1.079x on FP32-weight H = 6144 (T 49153 to 60416);
- R200 (212 SMs): 1.586-1.600x on H = 6144 (T 30721 to 31744) and
1.543-1.566x on FP32-weight H = 6144 (T 30721 to 31744; T 28673 to
30720 not timed); 1.406-1.463x on H = 1536 and 1.415-1.478x on
FP32-weight H = 1536 (T 53249 to 65536); 1.340-1.385x on FP32-weight
H = 4096 (T 24576 to 28672; T 1 to 256 not timed), 1.313-1.423x on
FP32-weight H = 512 (T 1088 to 4096), 1.233-1.267x on FP32-weight
H = 2048 (T 50688 to 56320) and 1.102-1.165x on FP32-weight H = 256
(1537 to 3584 rows).
Small-T cost: the single kernel's median backward time against the
deterministic pair's in each of two timing sessions, and on GB300 also
over the samples of both sessions (CUDA graph, L2 flushed before every
replay, memory clock checked at the board maximum), at T 1, 4, 8 and 16
where those are at most the cut and at the cut (on H = 256 also at the
cut in the 4-head and 24-head views; on the T 3 cuts at T 1 to 3):
- B200 (148 SMs): 1.205-1.367x on H = 1536 and 0.952-1.150x on H = 512;
with FP32 weight 1.157-1.304x on H = 1536, 1.044-1.132x on H = 512 and
1.610-1.872x on H = 5120.
- GB300 (152 SMs): 1.889-2.088x on H = 1536, 1.890-2.105x on H = 2048,
1.014-1.276x on H = 256, 2.672-32.000x on H = 5120, 1.493-1.657x on
H = 512, 2.502-2.592x on H = 4096 and 12.004-35.083x on H = 6144 (six
sessions on three GPUs); with FP32 weight 1.904-2.019x on H = 1536 at
T 1, 4, 8, 16 and 64 (four sessions at T 1 to 16) and 2.494-2.563x at
T 320, 1.941-2.224x on H = 2048, 0.995-1.286x on H = 256, 1.929-2.139x
on H = 512, 2.416-2.590x on H = 4096, 2.636-2.805x on H = 5120,
2.844-32.895x on H = 6144 and 6.149-34.422x on residual H = 6144. The
largest ratios are at T 1, where the single kernels take 174.640 us
(H = 5120), 212.128 to 212.353 us (H = 6144, session medians),
209.503 us (FP32-weight H = 6144) and 207.376 us (FP32-weight residual
H = 6144) against 5.872, 6.048 to 6.336, 6.464 and 6.144 us for the
pairs; the median time of every timed single kernel is at most
0.22 ms.
- R200: not timed.
Backward, SM107 H = 5120 (both weight dtypes): the compensated
deterministic pair that #8208 runs from T 19968 now runs up to T 49152
and the FP64-accumulating single kernel above it. In #8208 the pair ran
up to T 65536 (BF16 weight) and T 57344 (FP32 weight). On a 212-SM R200
one BF16-weight dw element of that pair exceeds the budget at T 61440
(1.110 of it); on a 216-SM R200 its worst element reaches 0.867 of the
budget at T 53248 and 0.891 at T 61440 with BF16 weight, and 0.905 at
T 57344 with FP32 weight (worst of 200 inputs of each of three
families). Above T 49152 the single kernels stay within 0.703 (BF16
weight) and 0.646 (FP32 weight) of the budget at the sampled token
counts up to 65537. Their median backward time is 1.80-1.87x the pair's
on a 212-SM R200 (T 53248 to 65536). Since #8251 the deterministic
package runs other programs on SM107 H = 5120 from T 19968, so from
T 19968 to 49152 deterministic=True and deterministic=False run
different deterministic pairs.
Backward, SM103 H = 256 (both weight dtypes): above 5120 rows each row
count runs a deterministic pair instead of this package's single
kernels, except from 93184 to 139264 rows, where the twosum single
kernel of #8208 keeps running. The pair's main kernel is the one the
deterministic package runs for that row count on a device with 152 or
more SMs; its dw reduce is that package's up to 40960 rows and above
1572864 rows, and from 40960 to 93184 and from 139264 to 1572864 rows
the one that package ran there before #8319 (the measured
pairs). From #8293 to #8319 the deterministic package ran the pair of
40960 to 93184 rows up to 99840 rows; that pair reaches 0.9807 of the
budget at 93696 rows (3904 tokens of 24 heads, FP32 weight, worst of 60
inputs of each of three families). In that time it ran another pair
from 99840 rows, whose worst dw element stays within 0.353 (BF16
weight) and 0.373 (FP32 weight) of the budget at the sampled row counts
up to 139264 rows (worst of 200 inputs of each of three families); this
package keeps the twosum single kernel up to 139264 rows. From 139264
to 1572864 rows, where this package now runs that pair in place of the
twosum single kernel, the twosum single kernel's median backward time
on GB300 is 1.058-1.095x (1.060-1.093x pooled) that pair's at every
timed row count; below 139264 rows the two are not timed against each
other. Where the pairs run, their worst dw element stays within 0.837
of the budget at every sampled row count, and on GB300 their median
backward time is 0.820-0.989x (0.829-0.972x pooled) that of the single
kernels they replace. From 93184 to 139264 rows the twosum single
kernel's median backward time is 1.130-1.188x that of the pair of 40960
to 93184 rows on GB300. Up to 1080 rows the single kernel runs (small
token counts, above); from 1081 to 5120 rows nothing changes.
Accuracy of dw with deterministic=False at this head, against FP64 at
the kernel's FP32 rstd and at torch's FP32 rstd with the per-element
budget atol 1e-4 + rtol 1e-4, worst over 60 or more inputs of each of
three input families, BF16 and FP32 weight, at every sampled token count
up to 65536, the top of the qualified range (every sampled row count of
the H = 256 views): the routed deterministic pairs stay within 0.850 of
the budget (B200 0.842; GB300 0.850; R200 0.832 with 212 SMs and 0.844
with 216 SMs) and the single kernels within 0.751 (B200 0.713; GB300
0.572, the twosum forms 0.0006; R200 0.727 with 212 SMs and 0.751 with
216 SMs). Over the same samples the median dw error over the inputs is
no worse than the FP32 eager reduction's at every sampled token count
where both were recorded; above T 256 the median over the inputs of each
family is no worse either, except one family of the SM103 FP32-weight
H = 512 route at T 1088 (0.0395 against 0.0376). On the H = 5120,
H = 256 and FP32-weight routes the worst dw error over those inputs is
also no worse than the FP32 eager reduction's at every sampled token
count on B200, GB300 and R200 (212 and 216 SMs).
The window tables record the measured outcome at each of the 74 new
backward edges (10 on SM100, 37 on SM103 and 27 on SM107; dx is bitwise
identical across every one) and, for each of the 130 new backward
windows (19, 64 and 47), the smallest side allocation (100 or 132 KB per
CTA) beside which it waits for a kernel resident on every SM, or that it
waits beside neither, measured on B200, GB300 and a 212-SM R200. Beside
100 KB per CTA the SM103 H = 6144 single kernels above T 49152 wait,
where the pairs they replace waited from 132 KB. Other new windows that
wait beside a smaller allocation than the program that ran their token
counts in #8208: SM100 bwd_w32_h5120 (0, 22]; SM103 none; SM107 none.
The registry's window-reason comments state measured values, except the
two SM100 H = 5120 comments above T 65536, which name the top of the
qualified range; the H = 5120 test comment states measured values. The
window notes name the small-T windows and the twosum windows from
T 1. The docstrings say that deterministic=True reproduces dw bitwise
for a given token count on devices with the same SM count. The
mixed-form workspace test in test_cake_rmsnorm_train_pairs.py takes the
first BF16-weight route without residual of SM100, SM103 or SM107 whose
window at 257 tokens runs the deterministic pair, and discounts the
route's own single-kernel records up to 256 tokens: no route runs the
deterministic pair at 1 token now.
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This PR changes the non-residual backward pass of the deterministic Cake RMSNorm training package (
cake_rmsnorm_det_train). The package covers BF16 and FP32 weights, residual and non-residual inputs, row widths H 256 (per-head view) / 512 / 1536 / 2048 / 4096 / 5120 / 6144, and both forward and backward passes. It adds new kernels for two large-row-count routes. The first is H 256 backward (contiguous rows, key view [T,4,256], query view [T,24,256], BF16 and FP32 weight) above 80896 rows on sm_100a, 40960 rows on sm_103a and 70656 rows on sm_107a. That route now splits the dw column reduction over more thread blocks, and on sm_100a and sm_107a it also uses a lighter load pipeline in the main backward kernel. The second is H 1536 backward with the compensated dw sum, which now keeps its compensation terms in registers: FP32 weight above 40448 rows on sm_103a, and BF16 and FP32 weight above 45056 rows on sm_107a. Every row is faster than both the previous Cake package and torch.compile (listed in that order):NVIDIA B200 (148 SMs), sm_100a; CUDA 13.4 (kernels built with nvcc 13.4), PyTorch 2.14.1+cu130, Triton 3.8.0. Backward pass. Latency = CUPTI kernel-active time per call, cold L2, median of 4 x 20 calls per process. Previous Cake = the previously shipped Cake package; Cake = this package; both through the package's public backward entry point in the same processes (counterbalanced). Each Cake value = fastest measured process over the row's formal sessions (4 sessions; each session a fresh process set with fresh caches, one GPU per session). torch.compile = fastest measured per-shape static compile (FP32 formula, dynamic=False; minimum over every process of the formal sessions and a tc-only sweep, each with a fresh inductor / Triton cache). Speedup = baseline / Cake.
NVIDIA GB300 (152 SMs), sm_103a; CUDA 13.4 (kernels built with nvcc 13.4), PyTorch 2.14.1+cu130, Triton 3.8.0. Backward pass. Latency = CUPTI kernel-active time per call, cold L2, median of 4 x 20 calls per process. Previous Cake = the previously shipped Cake package; Cake = this package; both through the package's public backward entry point in the same processes (counterbalanced). Each Cake value = fastest measured process over the row's formal sessions (4 sessions on 18 rows, 8 sessions on 6 rows; each session a fresh process set with fresh caches, one GPU per session). torch.compile = fastest measured per-shape static compile (FP32 formula, dynamic=False; minimum over every process of the formal sessions and a tc-only sweep, each with a fresh inductor / Triton cache). Speedup = baseline / Cake.
NVIDIA R200 (212-SM board class), sm_107a; CUDA 13.4 (kernels built with nvcc 13.4), PyTorch 2.14.1+cu130, Triton 3.8.0. Backward pass. Latency = CUPTI kernel-active time per call, cold L2, median of 4 x 20 calls per process. Previous Cake = the previously shipped Cake package; Cake = this package; both through the package's public backward entry point in the same processes (counterbalanced). Each Cake value = fastest measured process over the row's formal sessions (4 sessions; each session a fresh process set with fresh caches, one GPU per session). torch.compile = fastest measured per-shape static compile (FP32 formula, dynamic=False; minimum over every process of the formal sessions and a tc-only sweep, each with a fresh inductor / Triton cache). Speedup = baseline / Cake. R200 numbers are from the 212-SM R200 board class (4-GPU R200 nodes with 212 SMs per GPU); boards with 216 SMs are a separate class and are not mixed into this table.
The other Cake variants of this family are unchanged: forward, residual backward, H 512 / 2048 / 4096 / 5120 / 6144, all smaller row counts, and sm_103a H 1536 with BF16 weight; the family ships on sm_100a, sm_103a and sm_107a.
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