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`cudnn::sdpa_bwd` served only the packed THD/varlen path; dense `(B, H, S, D)` raised NotImplementedError. That left the provider's dense training half on the Python API — forward through `cudnn::sdpa_fwd`, backward falling back to the C++ worker `aten::_cudnn_attention_backward` (the provider counts it as `calls["bwd_cpp"]`). This wires the dense path so the whole step builds its graph in Python. `_build_bwd_graph` gains `is_thd`, mirroring the forward builder. Dense differs in three ways, all of them contract rather than kernel: - no ragged-offset tensors and no per-batch length operands — an unpadded dense batch has every sequence at its declared S; - no `max_total_seq_len_q/kv`: those size the ragged dq accumulator and the node rejects them on a non-ragged layout (NVIDIA#740); - dQ/dK/dV adopt the caller's Q/K/V layouts via `_like_layout_stride`, because autograd hands them straight back as `.grad` on the caller's parameters. THD keeps returning them packed. Stats need no conversion on this path: dense LSE already is `(B, H, S, 1)` fp32, which is exactly aten's logsumexp layout for `_scaled_dot_product_cudnn_attention`, so `register_autograd` forwards the forward's stats untouched instead of running the THD scatter. The fake kernel now mirrors the dense gradient strides (the inputs' permutation, not contiguous) — otherwise opcheck's stride assertions fail under AOT dispatch. Still raising: sink backward (dSink), and dense backward with per-batch lengths (the padded dense path). Tests: six new cases in `TestSdpaBwdDense` — causal/non-causal against an fp32 reference, GQA with h_kv < h_q, end-to-end autograd, a layout check that dQ/dK/dV come back in their input's permutation, and opcheck on the dense backward. They compare RELATIVE to each tensor's magnitude: GQA dK/dV sum over h_q/h_kv query heads, so a fixed absolute bound flags a correct result purely because the values got bigger (~0.5% relative on every tensor, but |dv| peaks near 9.6 at a group size of 4). Verified on SM100 (cuDNN 9.26.0.33): 25 passed, all 19 pre-existing THD tests unchanged. NOT yet verified against a FROST backward engine — those exist only for SM120 and SM80, and neither box is reachable from here; on SM100 the Router serves this through cuDNN-backend engines, which is still the Python API but not an OSS kernel. Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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In `@python/cudnn/sdpa/fwd/torch_op.py`:
- Around line 1061-1072: Update the dense autograd call to sdpa_bwd in the
forward backward path to pass torch.are_deterministic_algorithms_enabled() as
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- Around line 695-698: Normalize dense q, k, v, and o with _normalize_thd before
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and 16-byte-aligned storage. Then match grad_out against the normalized o layout
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Review follow-ups on the dense backward, plus a pre-existing gap the first one turned up. **Dense operands were never normalized.** The descriptor contract — innermost dim dense, base pointer 16B-aligned — was enforced only for THD, via `_normalize_thd`. A dense BHSD tensor with a strided last dim (a `[..., ::2]` slice) or a misaligned base breaks the descriptors exactly the same way; it is a property of the operand, not of packing. Note this was NOT introduced by the dense backward: the dense *forward* has always taken `q.stride(), k.stride(), v.stride()` as-is, so the fix covers both paths. Renamed the helper to `_normalize_operand` since nothing in its body was THD-specific. In the backward the normalization runs before the strides are read and before dO is matched to O, so a repaired O cannot leave dO on the stale layout. **The dense autograd path dropped `is_deterministic`.** The THD branch passes `torch.are_deterministic_algorithms_enabled()`; the dense branch omitted it, so `use_deterministic_algorithms(True)` still built the graph with `use_deterministic_algorithm=False` and gave non-reproducible dq. Tests: `test_dense_backward_repairs_bad_operands` covers both flaw shapes (strided innermost via `[..., ::2]`, misaligned base via a 1-element offset) and asserts numerical correctness against a reference — a mis-declared descriptor reads the wrong elements rather than failing loudly, so a smoke-test would not catch it. `test_dense_autograd_honors_deterministic_flag` runs the same inputs twice under `use_deterministic_algorithms(True)` and requires bit-identical gradients. Verified: 28 passed (was 25). Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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In `@python/cudnn/sdpa/fwd/torch_op.py`:
- Around line 386-388: Unify real and fake execution around the same layout
policy in the normalization flow near _normalize_operand: preserve caller-layout
metadata separately, and derive o_stride and dq_stride/dk_stride/dv_stride from
the same contiguous or original representation in both paths. Ensure permuted,
non-unit-last-stride, and misaligned inputs produce matching metadata, and add
coverage including a compiled downstream operation.
In `@test/python/sdpa/test_torch_ops.py`:
- Line 311: Update the gradient assertions in the relevant test to compare dq,
dk, and dv against their corresponding _ref gradients using the existing
reference-module comparison pattern and dtype-appropriate tolerances, while
retaining the finite-value checks if they remain useful.
- Line 339: Update the deterministic-algorithm cleanup around
torch.use_deterministic_algorithms to capture the prior value from
torch.is_deterministic_algorithms_warn_only_enabled() and restore it via the
warn_only parameter, preserving both the previous deterministic setting and
warn-only behavior.
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| q = _normalize_operand(q, "q") | ||
| k = _normalize_operand(k, "k") | ||
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Keep caller-layout metadata separate from normalized descriptor tensors.
When a dense input has a non-unit last stride, the real path uses a contiguous clone before deriving o_stride and dq_stride/dk_stride/dv_stride. The fake paths derive these strides from the original tensors. A permuted BHSD view can therefore produce different metadata in real and fake execution. Apply one layout policy to both paths. Add coverage for permuted, non-unit-last-stride, and misaligned inputs, including a compiled downstream operation.
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In `@python/cudnn/sdpa/fwd/torch_op.py` around lines 386 - 388, Unify real and
fake execution around the same layout policy in the normalization flow near
_normalize_operand: preserve caller-layout metadata separately, and derive
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compiled downstream operation.
| qr, kr, vr = (t.detach().clone().float().requires_grad_(True) for t in (q, k, v)) | ||
| ref = torch.nn.functional.scaled_dot_product_attention(qr, kr, vr, is_causal=True, scale=scale) | ||
| assert (o.float() - ref).abs().max().item() < TOL | ||
| assert dq.isfinite().all() and dk.isfinite().all() and dv.isfinite().all() |
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Compare repaired-operand gradients with the reference gradients.
Line 311 only checks that the gradients are finite. A bad backward descriptor can return finite but incorrect dq, dk, or dv. Save the backward input gradient and compare all three results with _ref.
As per coding guidelines, “Compare test results against a reference implementation using existing reference-module patterns and dtype-appropriate tolerances.”
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- dq, dk, dv = torch.ops.cudnn.sdpa_bwd(torch.randn_like(o), q, k, v, o, lse, scale, is_causal=True)
+ grad = torch.randn_like(o)
+ dq, dk, dv = torch.ops.cudnn.sdpa_bwd(grad, q, k, v, o, lse, scale, is_causal=True)
# Correctness is the point: a silently mis-declared descriptor would
# read the wrong elements rather than fail loudly.
- qr, kr, vr = (t.detach().clone().float().requires_grad_(True) for t in (q, k, v))
- ref = torch.nn.functional.scaled_dot_product_attention(qr, kr, vr, is_causal=True, scale=scale)
+ ref, rdq, rdk, rdv = self._ref(q, k, v, scale, True, grad)
assert (o.float() - ref).abs().max().item() < TOL
- assert dq.isfinite().all() and dk.isfinite().all() and dv.isfinite().all()
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| assert dq.isfinite().all() and dk.isfinite().all() and dv.isfinite().all() | |
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| dq, dk, dv = torch.ops.cudnn.sdpa_bwd(grad, q, k, v, o, lse, scale, is_causal=True) | |
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In `@test/python/sdpa/test_torch_ops.py` at line 311, Update the gradient
assertions in the relevant test to compare dq, dk, and dv against their
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Yes, for PyTorch, the warn_only keyword argument in torch.use_deterministic_algorithms(mode, *, warn_only=False) defaults to False [1][2][3]. When warn_only is set to False (the default), operations that do not have a deterministic implementation will throw a RuntimeError, whereas setting it to True causes them to throw a warning instead [1][2][3][4]. Additionally, torch.is_deterministic_algorithms_warn_only_enabled() correctly exposes the current warning-only state, returning True if the global deterministic flag is set to warn only [5][6].
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Restore the prior warn_only setting.
If the prior state used warn_only=True, line 339 resets it to False, which can make later nondeterministic operations raise errors instead of warnings. Capture torch.is_deterministic_algorithms_warn_only_enabled() and restore it with warn_only=was_warn_only.
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In `@test/python/sdpa/test_torch_ops.py` at line 339, Update the
deterministic-algorithm cleanup around torch.use_deterministic_algorithms to
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Folded into #554 and closing. Dense backward and the provider only mean something together: the provider's whole reason for keeping a C++ fallback was that The measurable difference, on the POC bridge: #836 (no SM100 backward engine) stays open independently — it is about engine coverage, not this plumbing. |
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cudnn::sdpa_bwdserved only the packed THD/varlen path; dense(B, H, S, D)raisedNotImplementedError. That left dense training half on the Python API: the provider's forward ran throughcudnn::sdpa_fwd, but the backward fell back to the C++ workeraten::_cudnn_attention_backward(counted there ascalls["bwd_cpp"]). This wires the dense path so the whole step builds its graph in Python.What changed
_build_bwd_graphgainsis_thd, mirroring the forward builder. Dense differs in three ways, all contract rather than kernel:S;max_total_seq_len_q/kv: those size the ragged dq accumulator, and the node rejects them on a non-ragged layout (feat(sdpa): accept max_total_seq_len_q/kv on the forward SDPA node #740);_like_layout_stride, since autograd hands them straight back as.gradon the caller's parameters. THD keeps returning them packed.Stats need no conversion here: dense LSE already is
(B, H, S, 1)fp32 — exactly aten's logsumexp layout for_scaled_dot_product_cudnn_attention— soregister_autogradforwards the forward's stats untouched instead of running the THD scatter.The fake kernel now mirrors the dense gradient strides (the inputs' permutation, not contiguous); otherwise opcheck's stride assertions fail under AOT dispatch.
Still raising: sink backward (dSink), and dense backward with per-batch lengths (padded dense).
Tests
Six new cases in
TestSdpaBwdDense: causal/non-causal against an fp32 reference, GQA withh_kv < h_q, end-to-end autograd, a layout check that dQ/dK/dV come back in their input's permutation, andopcheckon the dense backward.They compare relative to each tensor's magnitude. GQA dK/dV sum over
h_q/h_kvquery heads, so their values and their absolute rounding error scale with the group size — a fixed absolute bound flags a correct result purely because the numbers got bigger (measured: ~0.5% relative on every tensor, but|dv|peaks near 9.6 at a group size of 4).Verification, and its limit
SM100, cuDNN 9.26.0.33: 25 passed — 6 new plus all 19 pre-existing THD tests unchanged.
What this does not cover: a FROST backward engine. Those exist only for SM120 and SM80 (
sdpa_bwd_sm120,sdpa_bwd_sm80) — there is no SM100 backward engine, which I filed separately as #836. On SM100 the Router serves this through cuDNN-backend engines: still the Python API, but not an OSS kernel. A verification script for an sm120 or sm80 box is attached to the issue discussion; this PR should get a run there before merge, since SM120 is where the dense backward can actually reachsdpa_bwd_sm120.Follow-up
Once this lands, the provider (#554) can drop its dense
bwd_cppfallback and route dense backward through the op — at which pointtorch.sdpadense training runs end to end on the cuDNN Python API.Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 noreply@anthropic.com
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