feat(sdpa): accept max_total_seq_len_q/kv on the forward SDPA node - #740
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…VIDIA#613) The zero-host-read THD execute (NVIDIA#606/NVIDIA#608) derives the packed token extents host-side as numel() // token_stride. That is wrong on both edges for the buffers real integrations bind: - A non-packed VIEW — a K/V slice of a kv-interleaved [T, 2, H, D] record, the layout torch.nn.attention.varlen users produce by slicing a fused KV projection — holds T tokens but only T*H*D of the record's elements, so the derived extent HALVES and the TMA descriptors cut off half the tokens: silently wrong O on every such call (issue NVIDIA#613; also 40 upstream PyTorch test_varlen_attention failures through the python-API integration). - Deriving from the untyped storage instead over-claims into ALLOCATOR SLACK, which is not benign: rows between the real packed total and the extent are masked but still multiplied (P == 0 times V), so they must be FINITE — TMA zero-fill only covers rows at or beyond the extent. A slack row carrying NaN bit patterns poisons whole sequences through 0 * NaN. Fix: capacity = the largest T whose final token's ROW still fits in the buffer's own element SPAN (1 + sum((size-1)*stride)). The span is exact on both edges: flat capacity buffers give exactly their token capacity (no slack), and interleaved/gapped views give exactly T. Every row below the capacity lies in caller-provided finite elements; every row at or beyond it TMA-clips to zeros. One shared helper serves the SM100 f16 path and the SM120/FP8 _cap sites. Verified on SM100 (isolated env): the NVIDIA#613 kv-interleave repro 41% -> 0 mismatches (frost-served); test_sdpa_random_fwd_ragged_L0 5-seed slice 84/84 (no regressions); fp8 THD ragged slice green; the new deterministic regression test (fused-record K/V views vs packed binding, torch.equal) fails on develop and passes with the fix; upstream PyTorch test_varlen_attention returns from 100 pass / 69 fail to its 140 / 29 impl-identity baseline with the torch-ops stack applied on top. Fixes NVIDIA#613. Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
The seeded per-tensor token-gap draw (NVIDIA#516) lives in ExecConfig.fill_derived_fields and only fills strides left None — but RandomizationContext, which drives every test_sdpa_random_*_ragged sweep, explicitly assigned packed bshd strides in its ragged branch. Net effect: the randomized ragged fleet has NEVER bound a non-packed THD stride, and for packed buffers the numel()//token_stride capacity heuristic is exact — which is precisely why these sweeps stayed green while issue NVIDIA#613 (interleaved K/V views halving the TMA extent) shipped and had to be found through an external integration. Fix: the ragged branch leaves Q/K/V/O strides None and __call__ ends with fill_derived_fields() — one source of truth for the gap draw and its auto-packed fallbacks (cu / offset-multiplier forms NVIDIA#538, 1-byte dtypes NVIDIA#537). The head_major stats stride and the whole dense branch are untouched. Census over the fwd ragged L0 slice (84 configs): before, 0/84 drew a gap although each config's own rng_geom_seed hand-draws nonzero gaps; after, 84/84 draw gaps and ALL 84 would have failed under the old capacity formula. Verified on SM100 (cuDNN 9.26.0.33, CUDNN_FRONTEND_ENABLE_FROST_ENGINES=1): with the NVIDIA#613 fix the gapped fwd ragged L0 slice passes 84/84 (all frost-served) — with the pre-fix adapter swapped in it fails 80/84, i.e. this wiring alone would have caught NVIDIA#613 the day the heuristic merged. bwd ragged L0 slice 158/158, identical to the unwired control on the same lib (the backend serves every gapped gradient combination); ragged_unified_L1 24/24 and offset_multiplier_unified_L1 24/24 (cu / mult forms stay packed via the existing fallbacks — 20/20 each in the offline census); the stride-override unit test still passes. Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
`sdpa_backward` has taken `max_total_seq_len_q/kv` since cuDNN 9.6; the forward node never did. That asymmetry is the root of a whole bug class. A ragged (THD) graph declares `(B, H, S_max, D)` plus a device-side ragged-offset tensor, so the packed token total is not expressible anywhere in the forward graph — and reading `cu_seqlens[-1]` host-side is exactly the D2H sync the zero-host-read THD execute (NVIDIA#552) exists to eliminate. The FROST forward path therefore has to INFER an upper bound on the token axis from the bound buffers' element span (NVIDIA#613/NVIDIA#706). That bound is memory-safe but loose, and looseness is not benign: rows between the real total and the extent are masked yet still multiplied (`P == 0` times V), so they must be FINITE. A caller that over-allocates and leaves the tail unwritten poisons whole tiles through `0 * NaN` (NVIDIA#624). Every framework already has this number — it is `q.shape[0]` in vLLM, SGLang, TransformerEngine, Megatron-Core, PyTorch and FlashInfer alike — and today it gets thrown away at the graph boundary. This lets callers declare it. - C++: `max_total_seq_len_q/kv` on `SDPA_attributes` with setters and serialization, mirroring `SDPA_backward_attributes`. Frontend-side only: like the backward twin it is never lowered to a backend attribute, so it cannot affect backend validation (NVIDIA#704). - Forward node validation rejects it on a non-ragged layout, mirroring backward's "only supported with packed layout". - pybind: `sdpa(..., max_total_seq_len_q=None, max_total_seq_len_kv=None)`. - FROST forward consumes it: the declared total is min'd against the buffer-derived capacity, so it can only TIGHTEN the extent, never widen it. A stale or wrong value cannot make a launch address memory the caller does not own — it can only make it address less. Both the SM100 f16 and the SM120/FP8 extent sites go through one helper. Effect on NVIDIA#624, measured on SM100 (bf16, cuDNN 9.26.0.33, FROST forced), `seq_lens=[200,150,47]` (total 397) bound into `(640, H, D)` buffers whose `[397, 640)` tail is NaN — only the tail fill differs between runs: undeclared: 201,728 NaNs in O (49.6%) declared: 0 NaNs, bit-identical to the zero-tail run Verified: new L0 regression test (asserts the clamp AND that the undeclared path still reaches the tail, so it tests the clamp rather than a benign shape); dense graph + attribute correctly rejected; the NVIDIA#613 interleaved-KV-views test and the gap-wired ragged L0 slice (84/84, all FROST-served) unchanged. Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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📝 WalkthroughWalkthroughSDPA APIs now accept packed Q and KV token-total hints for ragged layouts. The hints propagate through graph analysis and prefill lowering to SM100 and SM120 THD capacity calculations. Tests cover poisoned tails, non-contiguous views, FP8, MXFP8, and ragged stride derivation. ChangesRagged SDPA token totals
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- Around line 640-641: Update PyGraph::sdpa_fp8 and its declaration and pybind
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Review follow-up. `PyGraph::sdpa_fp8` routes through `sdpa_internal`, so it already builds the same `SDPA_attributes` that now carries the packed totals -- only the entry point was missing them, and it hard-coded `py::none()` at the forwarding call. An FP8 THD caller therefore had no way to declare its totals even though the adapter side (`_thd_declared_total` at the SM100 f16 and SM120/FP8 extent sites) was already wired for them. Adds the two optional arguments to the declaration, the definition, the pybind binding and the docstring, and forwards them instead of `py::none()`. `sdpa_mxfp8` is deliberately left out: it does not go through `sdpa_internal` and builds `SDPA_fp8_attributes`, which has no such field, so covering it means extending that struct as well. Note the reviewer's stated motivation does not actually hold for FP8: the FP8/MXFP8 kernels already clamp their K/V descriptor extents to `cu_k[B]` device-side in `build_thd_meta_o_kv_descs_kernel`, so an unwritten K/V capacity tail is already TMA-unreachable there, and Q is the parallel dimension (a garbage Q row poisons only its own row, which is never stored). The change is still worth making for API symmetry and for exact rather than inferred extents. Test: `test_fp8_thd_declared_totals` runs the THD FP8 path with and without the declaration from the same seed and asserts O is bit-identical, plus the usual accuracy check against the reference. Verified: `test_sdpa_fwd_fp8_sm100.py` 61 passed; f16 THD tests 195 passed. Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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1182-1185: 🗄️ Data Integrity & Integration | 🟡 Minor | ⚡ Quick winDocument the capacity clamp.
The text describes the supplied value as an exact packed extent. The effective extent is the minimum of the declared total and the buffer-derived capacity. A declaration larger than capacity does not expand the accessed extent.
Describe these values as upper bounds and document the clamp for both
sdpaandsdpa_fp8.Suggested wording
-max_total_seq_len_q (Optional[int]): Packed token total of the ragged Q. +max_total_seq_len_q (Optional[int]): Upper bound for the packed token total of the ragged Q. +The effective extent is clamped to the minimum of this value and the buffer-derived capacity.The PR contract defines the effective extent as the minimum of the declared total and buffer-derived capacity.
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455-456: 🎯 Functional Correctness | 🟠 Major | ⚡ Quick winPreserve positional compatibility for
PyGraph::sdpaandPyGraph::sdpa_fp8.Both APIs place the new totals before existing parameters. Their
py::arg_vbindings still accept positional arguments, so later Python arguments can shift into the totals. Existing direct C++ calls also lack compatibility overloads or defaulted trailing totals. Append the totals after existing arguments and provide compatibility overloads or defaults. Apply this to both definitions and bindings.🤖 Prompt for AI Agents
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In `@python/pygraph/pygraph.h`:
- Around line 455-456: Preserve positional compatibility for PyGraph::sdpa and
PyGraph::sdpa_fp8 by moving max_total_seq_len_q and max_total_seq_len_kv after
all existing parameters and adding compatibility overloads or trailing defaults
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py::arg_v bindings retain the existing positional ordering while exposing the
totals as trailing arguments.
In `@python/pygraph/sdpa.cpp`:
- Around line 1182-1185: Update the parameter documentation for
max_total_seq_len_q and max_total_seq_len_kv in both sdpa and sdpa_fp8 to
describe each value as an upper bound, and state that the effective packed
extent is clamped to the minimum of the declared total and the buffer-derived
capacity. Clarify that declaring a value larger than capacity does not expand
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Correcting my own note on the previous commit: I claimed `sdpa_mxfp8` was out of scope because it "builds `SDPA_fp8_attributes`, which has no such field". That is wrong — `SDPA_fp8_attributes` is a type ALIAS for `SDPA_attributes` (graph_properties.h), so the field has been there all along and the only gap was the pybind entry point. `sdpa_mxfp8` does not route through `sdpa_internal`, so it needed its own declaration, definition, attribute plumbing, binding and docstring — but no struct change. The MXFP8 forward row serves THD (`thd_d_shapes` covers the d128 kernel), and the adapter side (`_thd_declared_total`) was already shared, so this completes the forward family: `sdpa`, `sdpa_fp8` and `sdpa_mxfp8` all now accept the packed totals. Still missing, and genuinely needing a struct change: the FP8/MXFP8 BACKWARD nodes. `SDPA_fp8_backward_attributes` is a distinct class (not an alias) with no such field, so `sdpa_fp8_backward` / `sdpa_mxfp8_backward` cannot take the totals while plain `sdpa_backward` has since cuDNN 9.6. Tracked separately. Test: `test_mxfp8_thd_declared_totals` runs the MXFP8 THD path with and without the declaration from the same seed and asserts O is bit-identical, plus the usual accuracy and amax checks. Verified: `test_sdpa_fwd_mxfp8_sm100.py` THD selection 10 passed. Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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1192-1195: 📐 Maintainability & Code Quality | 🟡 Minor | ⚡ Quick winDocument the effective bound and the MXFP8 parameters.
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sdpaandsdpa_fp8docstrings say that the declared total bounds the token axis “exactly”. The effective extent ismin(declared_total, buffer-derived_capacity), so document the value as an upper bound.The
sdpa_mxfp8binding exposes both parameters, but its docstring does not document either parameter. Add both descriptions with the same clamping semantics.Also applies to: 1363-1366, 1418-1419
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1161-1162: 🎯 Functional Correctness | 🟠 Major | ⚡ Quick winPreserve existing positional argument slots.
pybind11maps positional arguments in binding order. Insdpaandsdpa_fp8, the insertion shiftscompute_data_type,name, and later parameters into the new integer parameters, which can fail incast<int64_t>(). Insdpa_mxfp8, it shiftscu_seq_len_qandcu_seq_len_kv.Append both parameters after each existing argument list, move the matching C++ parameters, and add regression coverage.
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In `@python/pygraph/sdpa.cpp`:
- Around line 1192-1195: Update the sdpa and sdpa_fp8 docstrings so
max_total_seq_len_q and max_total_seq_len_kv are described as upper bounds, with
effective extent clamped to the minimum of the declared total and buffer-derived
capacity. In the sdpa_mxfp8 docstring, add descriptions for both parameters
using the same ragged-layout restrictions and clamping semantics.
- Around line 1161-1162: Update the argument bindings for sdpa, sdpa_fp8, and
sdpa_mxfp8 so max_total_seq_len_q and max_total_seq_len_kv are appended after
the existing positional parameters rather than inserted in the middle; move the
corresponding C++ parameters to match, preserving all existing positional slots,
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sdpa_backwardhas takenmax_total_seq_len_q/kvsince cuDNN 9.6. The forward node never did, and that asymmetry is the root of a whole bug class.A ragged (THD) graph declares
(B, H, S_max, D)plus a device-side ragged-offset tensor, so the packed token total is not expressible anywhere in the forward graph — and readingcu_seqlens[-1]host-side is precisely the D2H sync that the zero-host-read THD execute (#552) exists to eliminate. The FROST forward path therefore has to infer an upper bound on the token axis from the bound buffers' element span (#613 / #706).That inferred bound is memory-safe but loose, and looseness is not benign here: rows between the real total and the TMA extent are masked yet still multiplied (
P == 0times V), so they must be FINITE. A caller that over-allocates and leaves the tail unwritten poisons whole tiles through0 * NaN— that is #624.Every framework already holds this number. It is
q.shape[0]in vLLM, SGLang, TransformerEngine, Megatron-Core, PyTorch and FlashInfer alike, and today it is discarded at the graph boundary. This PR lets callers declare it.What changed
max_total_seq_len_q/kvonSDPA_attributeswith setters and serialization, mirroringSDPA_backward_attributes. Frontend-side only — like the backward twin it is never lowered to a backend attribute, so it cannot affect backend validation (relevant given frost(sdpa): pygraph.validate() lowers every SDPA graph to C++ and runs backend validation, even when a FROST engine will serve it #704).sdpa(..., max_total_seq_len_q=None, max_total_seq_len_kv=None), documented indocs/operations/Attention.md.min'd against the buffer-derived capacity, so it can only tighten the extent, never widen it: a stale or wrong value cannot make a launch address memory the caller does not own, only address less of it. Both the SM100 f16 and the SM120/FP8 extent sites route through one helper (_thd_declared_total).Effect on #624
SM100, bf16, cuDNN 9.26.0.33,
CUDNN_FRONTEND_ENABLE_FROST_ENGINES=1.seq_lens=[200,150,47](total 397, deliberately not aTILE_Nmultiple) bound into(640, H, D)buffers whose[397, 640)tail is NaN. Only the tail fill differs between runs:This does not fix #624 on its own — a caller who declares nothing still gets the inferred bound — but it gives integrations a way out that costs nothing, and it is complementary to porting the FP8 descriptor clamp to f16 (the other half, discussed on #624).
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test_dsl_sm100_thd_declared_total_bounds_capacity_tail. It asserts the clamp and that the undeclared path still reaches the tail, so it tests the clamp rather than a benign shape.max_total_seq_len_q/kv is only supported with packed (ragged) layout.test_sdpa_fwd_dsl_sm100.pyfull L0 sweep: 474 passed, 14 deselected.Notes for review
sdpa_fp8/sdpa_mxfp8forward passpy::none()for now; extending the attribute to the quantized forward nodes is a straightforward follow-up.ceil(T/tile) + Binstead ofB * ceil(S_max/tile)) is a separate, larger win and is deliberately not in this PR.Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 noreply@anthropic.com
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