Replace bcrypt with pbkdf2 password hashing

[pkarman]

Why: NIST/FIPS approved password storage

[bandrzej]

Default ruby library, which leverages OpenSSL on operating system:
https://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.0.0/libdoc/openssl/rdoc/OpenSSL/PKCS5.html#module-OpenSSL::PKCS5-label-Storing+Passwords

[pkarman]

yes @bandrzej that's the exact doc I read when implementing heartcombo/devise-encryptable#12

[monfresh]

Based on your benchmarks, it looks like 100,000 iterations is about twice as fast as bcrypt's 12 stretches setting (our previous Devise setting). Since we can't use bcrypt, would it make sense to match the slowness of bcrypt by increasing the iterations? I would vote for matching at least a setting of 11, which is Devise's default for bcrypt. I believe 100,000 iterations should be as slow as 11 stretches. Can you confirm that it isn't faster, please?

[pkarman]

I went with 100_000 based on a comment from @alex but it does seem like 200_000 would get us closer to what we have with bcrypt now.

require 'benchmark/ips'
require 'bcrypt'
require 'openssl'

Benchmark.ips do |x| 
  # Configure the number of seconds used during
  # the warmup phase (default 2) and calculation phase (default 5)
  x.time = 5 
  x.warmup = 2 

  pw = 'Awe3ome 1ong !great PASSw0rd'

  (10..14).each do |cost|
    x.report("bcrypt #{cost} stretches") do
      BCrypt::Password.create(pw, cost: cost).to_s
    end 
  end 

  digest = OpenSSL::Digest::SHA512.new
  len = digest.digest_length
  [50_000, 100_000, 200_000, 400_000, 800_000].each do |iterations|
    x.report("pbkdf2 #{iterations}") do
      ::Digest::SHA512.hexdigest(OpenSSL::PKCS5.pbkdf2_hmac(pw, 'abcd1234XYZ', iterations, len, digest))
    end 
  end 

  x.compare!
end

$ ruby stretcher-bench.rb 
Warming up --------------------------------------
 bcrypt 10 stretches     1.000  i/100ms
 bcrypt 11 stretches     1.000  i/100ms
 bcrypt 12 stretches     1.000  i/100ms
 bcrypt 13 stretches     1.000  i/100ms
 bcrypt 14 stretches     1.000  i/100ms
        pbkdf2 50000     1.000  i/100ms
       pbkdf2 100000     1.000  i/100ms
       pbkdf2 200000     1.000  i/100ms
       pbkdf2 400000     1.000  i/100ms
       pbkdf2 800000     1.000  i/100ms
Calculating -------------------------------------
 bcrypt 10 stretches     15.901  (± 6.3%) i/s -     80.000  in   5.042703s
 bcrypt 11 stretches      8.084  (± 0.0%) i/s -     41.000  in   5.077996s
 bcrypt 12 stretches      4.004  (± 0.0%) i/s -     20.000  in   5.000542s
 bcrypt 13 stretches      2.000  (± 0.0%) i/s -     10.000  in   5.003240s
 bcrypt 14 stretches      1.002  (± 0.0%) i/s -      6.000  in   5.988671s
        pbkdf2 50000     16.328  (± 6.1%) i/s -     82.000  in   5.037183s
       pbkdf2 100000      8.215  (± 0.0%) i/s -     42.000  in   5.120483s
       pbkdf2 200000      4.229  (± 0.0%) i/s -     22.000  in   5.203564s
       pbkdf2 400000      2.120  (± 0.0%) i/s -     11.000  in   5.191897s
       pbkdf2 800000      1.067  (± 0.0%) i/s -      6.000  in   5.624190s

Comparison:
        pbkdf2 50000:       16.3 i/s
 bcrypt 10 stretches:       15.9 i/s - same-ish: difference falls within error
       pbkdf2 100000:        8.2 i/s - 1.99x slower
 bcrypt 11 stretches:        8.1 i/s - 2.02x slower
       pbkdf2 200000:        4.2 i/s - 3.86x slower
 bcrypt 12 stretches:        4.0 i/s - 4.08x slower
       pbkdf2 400000:        2.1 i/s - 7.70x slower
 bcrypt 13 stretches:        2.0 i/s - 8.17x slower
       pbkdf2 800000:        1.1 i/s - 15.30x slower
 bcrypt 14 stretches:        1.0 i/s - 16.29x slower

[pkarman]

I bumped it to 400_000 so that each encryption takes ~ 0.5sec. See e420bdd

[monfresh]

I think that might be too high. Ideally, we'd want to shoot for a 100ms-to-glass response time, so we should keep server-side processes as fast as possible. I think 100_000 is a good value to start with since it matches the Devise default 11 stretches for bcrypt.

The 100ms number is a guideline based on this 1968 study on human-computer interaction speeds, and is still considered valid today AFAIK.

0.1 second is about the limit for having the user feel that the system is reacting instantaneously, meaning that no special feedback is necessary except to display the result.

[pkarman]

100_00 it is.

[monfresh]

Looks good to me. Should we wait until the upstream PR is approved?

[pkarman]

@monfresh I vote to merge. We need this change only for FIPS compliance and the upstream PR, while nice to have eventually, is dependent on folks who are not driven by the same timelines we are.

[monfresh]

Sounds good to me. Does this need a signoff from @bandrzej before merge?

[pkarman]

Don't merge this till we get resolution on appeal.

[monfresh]

So, are we saying it's OK to use bcrypt for certain attributes, but not others? Shouldn't the encryption method be consistent throughout the app? If it's OK to use bcrypt for the recovery code, why is it not also OK for the password?

[bandrzej]

@monfresh
Risk waiver w/ justification must be filed and approved to accept risk into ATO letter for not using PBDK2 (NIST + FIPS standard) for official password hashing. Know being worked on by @JohnRahaghi + team. I cannot accept this risk as an assessor when a Federal policy or hardening guidance calls it out.

Note for any crypto or hashing used in other parts of the app, NIST + FIPS still apply. Deviations will require risk-waivers.

CC @chrisvb01 @davidsachdev @mzia @cisfmc

[pkarman]

the password is chosen by the user. the recovery code is randomly generated by the app. I don't know that the recovery code qualifies as a "memorized secret" since we explicitly make it not memorizable. The language is:

Verifiers SHALL store memorized secrets in a form that is resistant to offline attacks. Secrets SHALL be hashed with a salt value using an approved hash function such as PBKDF2 as described in [SP800-132]. The salt value SHALL be a 32 bit (or longer) random value generated by an approved random number generator and is stored along with the hash result. At least 10,000 iterations of the hash function SHOULD be performed. A keyed hash function (e.g., HMAC), with the key stored separately from the hashed authenticators (e.g., in a hardware security module) SHOULD be used to further resist dictionary attacks against the stored hashed authenticators.

@bandrzej when you say "NIST + FIPS still apply" is there other language about non-memorized secrets vis-a-vis encryption? Or are you saying that anything that requires encryption is a memorized secret as far as the rules go?

[bandrzej]

when you say "NIST + FIPS still apply" is there other language about non-memorized secrets vis-a-vis encryption? Or are you saying that anything that requires encryption is a memorized secret as far as the rules go?

@pkarman
Yes, NIST covers all methods of encryption and key generation for Federal Government Info Systems, which includes randomized generation of secrets. My memory is fuzzy if this stretches into token generation, like for a password reset or session ID, that is temporary and not for long-term storage.

[pkarman]

ok thanks @bandrzej

I am going to leave this PR alone then until we get clarity on whether bcrypt will be allowed via waiver.

[garciamike]

I'd like @regenscheid from our crypt team to take a look at this and the PII encryption PR.

Can someone add him to this repo?

Thanks!

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[regenscheid]

As you've know, PBKDF2 is the only password hashing algorithm approved in a NIST publication. We're considering updates to NIST SP 800-132 that may add other algorithms (and acknowledge use cases other than storage encryption, like password hashing on web servers). But, you should know we're unlikely to add bcrypt. The underlying cryptographic primitive in bcrypt is Blowfish, which isn't a NIST-approved algorithm (and isn't going to be).

Have you considered using scrypt? That's not NIST-approved right now either, but it is based on HMAC-SHA256 and PBKDF2, which are NIST-approved.

[bandrzej]

@regenscheid @garciamike
Thanks for providing feedback - need another set of eyes beyond my own with a DHS policy and security assessment view for risks.

1. Per the above, what are you recommending for settings to use with scrypt work factors?
   Last thing I have seen in public space was N=2^14, r=8, p=1, but I realize its balancing time to process to compute available - and we will be on cloud instances. Know what factors to target first helps.
2. Are you considering other options for NIST SP 800-132 updates beyond scrypt?
   Argon2 from the results of the Password Hacking Competition has been making some waves, especially in the general crypto community. They have filed for IETF standard as well.

Let me know if you need to chat offline or on Slack.

[regenscheid]

@bandrzej Basically scale N up to whatever provides acceptable performance. It will probably be around 2^14. You might find that memory usage becomes a problem before the computational cost.

As for Argon2, yes, we're looking at that, too. One of our colleagues in the crypto group was part of the PHC panel. It's still awfully new, though, and there's new research results coming out on it. They don't seem to seriously threaten the security of the algorithm, but they suggest that there's more work to do before the crypto community really understands the algorithm.

[jessieay]

Cool! I've never heard of pbkdf2. Quite a catchy name. :)

[jessieay]

same comment as other PR -- thoughts on listing each item on its own line?

[jessieay]

what does this mean?

[jessieay]

Was going to ask if this is something we can PR back to the main lib, but I see you already did that! heartcombo/devise-encryptable#12

Maybe add Pr link to Gemfile in case we forget to switch this out when it is merged?

[monfresh]

To follow up, is the verdict that we can use scrypt? From the little I've read so far, it seems to be a better choice than bcrypt and PBKDF2, but I'm no crypto expert. It's 7 years old now. Is that enough time to declare it a proven algorithm?

Here's a table comparing the estimated cost of hardware to crack a password in 1 year, from their paper.

[monfresh]

As a counter argument, I found this Stack Exchange entry that says that for password hashing and authenticating, scrypt might not be ideal since we would need to lower the hash computation time such that it doesn't affect UX, and at those levels, scrypt is weaker than bcrypt.

scrypt turned out to not to fully live up to its promises. Basically, it is good for 
what it was designed to do, i.e. protect the encryption key for the main hard 
disk of a computer: this is a usage context where the hashing can use hundreds 
of megabytes of RAM and several seconds worth of CPU. For a busy server that 
authenticates incoming requests, the CPU budget is much lower, because the 
server needs to be able to serve several concurrent requests at once, and not 
slow down to a crawl under occasional peak loads; but when scrypt uses less 
CPU, it also uses less RAM, this is part of how the function is internally defined. 
When the hash computation must complete within a few milliseconds of work, 
the used RAM amount is so low that scrypt becomes, technically, weaker than bcrypt.

I suppose we should run some benchmarks to see how long scrypt takes to hash a password when using the recommend settings mentioned by @bandrzej above.

[mzia]

@monfresh also note, after last weeks meeting with NIST, USCIS, USDS, 18F, scrypt is the choice. Bcrypt will not be allowed because it uses blowfish which is not a NIST approved crypto... we have to use scrypt or pbkdf2 because of HMAC+AES256 algors. Argon2 is better but was off the list for now because it's too new and NIST would like to continue to conduct further studies on it.

[pkarman]

superceded by #588