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Built and A/B'd on 2× RX 7900 XT (gfx1100, ROCm 7.14), TP=2. Setup: vLLM
32 of 32 identical with the PR; the unpatched build varies in two of four cells, as the shipped wheel does (6, 4, 1, 4 of 8 on the same cells). The earlier A/B that held this kernel and moved the attention backend left the variation in place, so this is the axis. Everything — the diff as applied, both build logs with md5s, the eight sequences per cell, the run log with the restore — is in https://github.com/cadamcat/dual-radeon-vllm/tree/main/benchmarks/gfx1100-w4a16-54706. |
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Thanks @cadamcat — this is extremely helpful. The independent A/B on 2× RX 7900 XT, TP=2, plus the second W4A16 checkpoint makes the result much stronger. In particular, the fact that changing the attention backend did not remove the variation while changing only this kernel did is a useful confirmation of the root-cause isolation. Also great to have the full build/run evidence archived. Thanks for taking the time to validate this independently. |
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Really nice work on this one, and thanks for the trail through #50603 — the isolated probe is what did it for me. 200 distinct results in 200 calls at M=1 isn't a subtle numerical wobble, it's the scalar decode path returning a different answer every single time it's called. That deserved finding and you found it. @cadamcat, thank you for going and building it yourself too. That A/B table is what turned this from a plausible story into a settled one. Some context, since I'm the one who wrote the CAS epilogue you're pulling out. gfx11 has no packed bf16 atomic — What I under-weighted is what that buys the accumulation. The sum then happens after the narrowing, in bf16, on 8 bits of mantissa, and bf16 addition isn't associative — so whichever block wins the CAS first changes the result. For a value that ends up in an So: I'm for this. The diagnosis is right, the fix is shaped right, and it applies clean on my tree. Everything below is polish, not objections. One suggestion on how you're pitching it, though: lead with the accuracy, not the greedy repro. I say that as someone who never runs greedy. Everything I serve is temperature 0.6 / top_p 0.95, so the determinism half of this PR does nothing for me — my output varies run to run regardless, and the CAS wobble was hiding under the sampler's own noise where I had no way to see it. But the error was in every forward pass I've ever run through this kernel, and that half affects me a lot. Rough sizing, for whatever dtype that 0.028 came from: at T=0.6 it works out to So I'd frame it as: this isn't a greedy fix. It's a fix for everyone, and greedy is just the one setting where you can see it. Right now the accuracy number is the last section of the description and I nearly scrolled past it. Now, the bits I'd like to poke at: 1. Your table and your text say different things — and the table is missing a dimension The body says "The WMMA range generally benefits from removing the contended CAS epilogue", but all three WMMA rows just above it are negative: M=16 -17.2%, M=64 -5.8%, M=128 -3.2%. I'm guessing that sentence just didn't get updated somewhere along the way. For what it's worth, the -17.2% row isn't landing where the name suggests. The bigger problem is that the table only gives M, and M alone doesn't determine what your patch does. At 2. I have a hunch the -17% is the memset, and that you can delete it Where You're zeroing because a boundary tile can leave a 3. The two paths disagree about the scratch, and it made me nervous Scalar uses To be clear, the scalar one is fine — I went and checked. The kernel bails on What bugs me is that nothing makes it stay true. Somebody adds an early return to that kernel next year, uninitialized fp32 goes into the reduce, one NaN lands in a logit row, and 4. Which dtype are the numbers from? The description doesn't say, and it matters more than it looks, because the entry point splits on dtype as well as on M: ((a.scalar_type() == torch::kBFloat16 && a.size(0) >= 16) ||
(a.scalar_type() == torch::kHalf && a.size(0) >= 64))bf16 reaches WMMA at M>=16; fp16 doesn't until M>=64. So that -17.2% at M=16 can only be a bf16 measurement — an fp16 deployment is still on the scalar path at that shape and gets the +4.7% instead. Worth spelling out, or half your readers will apply the wrong row to themselves. Same question on the accuracy side. fp16 carries 11 mantissa bits against bf16's 8, so the CAS rounding you're removing costs roughly 8x less there. If the 5. The test guards the bug you fixed, but not the hazard the fix introduces
If a You already have the fp32 dequantized reference you used for the accuracy numbers. Asserting against it in one of these tests — even loosely, say max abs error under some threshold — would cover both directions for very little extra code. Two smaller things in the same file:
6. Switching 7. Are the perf numbers from before the rebase? The body calls them "prior same-dispatch measurements". Given how much of the WMMA band is negative, I'd feel better seeing them re-run on the branch as it stands — across M = 1, 8, 16, 64, 128, 512, in both dtypes, and with N and K reported, for the reasons in #1 and #4. 8. Tiny one: And one thing I'd put in the description even though I think you're right to reject it: gfx11 does have Anyway — happy to run the full dispatch table on my 7900 XTX against the numbers I have for these kernels, if that's useful to you. Mostly I want to know whether dropping the memset closes M=16. Just say the word. |
JartX review closure (PR vllm-project#54706): * WMMA split-K scratch: at::zeros -> at::empty. Total coverage proven: every reducer-visible (z, m, n) slot has exactly one writer in all seven WMMA variants (guards skip only slots the reduce never reads), so the zero-fill pass was dead traffic. Measured on W7900/gfx1100: -3.8%..-8.7% on every k_split>1 shape (bf16 M=16: -8.7%). * Scalar launch_gemm_q4_deterministic: skip scratch + reduce when z_count == 1 (single writer -> direct store), mirroring the WMMA fast path. * Scalar epilogue restructured into three documented store modes (partials / direct store at gridDim.z==1 / legacy CAS for A/B only). * Stale pre-vllm-project#54706 CAS wording fixed in headers, heuristic comments, launcher comments, and the N%8 TORCH_CHECK message (real reason: packed qzeros layout); one-way-door notes where empty replaces zeros. * Tests: FP32-dequantized reference correctness for scalar/WMMA x split-K/direct-store x bf16/fp16; scalar regression strengthened K=1024 (4 writers) -> K=4096 (16 writers); hygiene via the repo-standard dist_init fixture (real context manager, no hardcoded MASTER_PORT). 20/20 pass; before/after numerics bit-identical. Evidence: validation-54706-jartx-w7900/ (bench CSVs, env, tests).
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Thank you @JartX for the deep review — especially the context on why the CAS epilogue was designed that way. Knowing that the goal was to keep a bandwidth-bound epilogue single-pass made the tradeoff much clearer. I reworked the description around accuracy first, with greedy nondeterminism as the visible symptom, and split the bf16/fp16 results throughout. Your memset hunch was right. I checked coverage across all seven WMMA variants and found that every reducer-visible The result was bigger than I expected: bf16 M=16 went 58.8 → 53.7 µs. M=64 and M=128 recovered too, and every measured I also added the scalar The perf table now reports dtype, M/N/K, path, Would still really appreciate the full dispatch-table run on your 7900 XTX — especially whether the M=16 recovery and the remaining M=1 decode cost reproduce there. |
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JartX review closure (PR vllm-project#54706): * WMMA split-K scratch: at::zeros -> at::empty. Total coverage proven: every reducer-visible (z, m, n) slot has exactly one writer in all seven WMMA variants (guards skip only slots the reduce never reads), so the zero-fill pass was dead traffic. Measured on W7900/gfx1100: -3.8%..-8.7% on every k_split>1 shape (bf16 M=16: -8.7%). * Scalar launch_gemm_q4_deterministic: skip scratch + reduce when z_count == 1 (single writer -> direct store), mirroring the WMMA fast path. * Scalar epilogue restructured into three documented store modes (partials / direct store at gridDim.z==1 / legacy CAS for A/B only). * Stale pre-vllm-project#54706 CAS wording fixed in headers, heuristic comments, launcher comments, and the N%8 TORCH_CHECK message (real reason: packed qzeros layout); one-way-door notes where empty replaces zeros. * Tests: FP32-dequantized reference correctness for scalar/WMMA x split-K/direct-store x bf16/fp16; scalar regression strengthened K=1024 (4 writers) -> K=4096 (16 writers); hygiene via the repo-standard dist_init fixture (real context manager, no hardcoded MASTER_PORT). 20/20 pass; before/after numerics bit-identical. Evidence: validation-54706-jartx-w7900/ (bench CSVs, env, tests). Signed-off-by: AIwork4me <AIwork4me@qq.com>
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mlp.gate_up_proj |
88.5 µs | 71.1 µs | -19.7% |
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58.0 µs | 57.5 µs | -0.8% |
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27.7 µs | 27.4 µs | -1.0% |
Across a full decode step (224 fused calls), M=16 goes from:
13.26 ms → 12.13 ms (-8.5%)
Other M values were also flat to slightly better:
M=1: -0.9%M=64: -2.1%M=128: -2.3%M=512: ~no change
I couldn't find a bf16 case where the patch regressed performance.
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There is one caveat here: small M values regress, while larger ones improve.
For M=1:
| Shape | Base | Patched | Change |
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mlp.gate_up_proj |
40.7 µs | 44.7 µs | +9.6% |
mlp.down_proj |
27.6 µs | 29.9 µs | +8.3% |
attn.in_proj_qkvz |
27.7 µs | 29.7 µs | +7.4% |
attn.out_proj |
19.4 µs | 19.5 µs | ~flat |
At the decode-step level, M=1 goes from:
6.64 ms → 7.11 ms (+7%)
I repeated the M=1 measurements three times on both binaries; the spread was <1%, so this appears to be a real regression rather than measurement noise.
The crossover is between M=16 and M=64. At M=64, the patched kernel is already ahead by roughly 5–10% depending on the operation:
gate_up_proj: -1.1%down_proj: -5.8%in_proj_qkvz: -8.2%out_proj: -9.8%
M=128 is also ~5% faster.
So the fp16 picture is roughly:
M < 64 → regression
M ≈ 64 → crossover
M ≥ 64 → improvement
This is worth calling out because small M is the important case for token-by-token decode.
I don't think this should block the PR: the correctness/determinism argument still stands, and bf16 shows a clear win. But it would be useful to document the fp16 trade-off rather than have it show up later as an unexpected regression.
One possible follow-up would be to keep the old path for fp16 when M < 64, and use the new path above that threshold. I'd be happy to benchmark that if useful.
Accuracy
Compared against a golden result generated from the base implementation:
bf16: relative error0.6–1.4e-2fp16: relative error0.7–1.7e-3
Overall, the patch looks correct and deterministic, with a strong bf16 performance improvement and a size-dependent trade-off in fp16.
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Problem
The RDNA3 (gfx11) W4A16 GPTQ kernels accumulate split-K partials in
bf16/fp16 via CAS atomics. The narrowing happens before accumulation,
and low-precision addition is not associative — so whichever split block
wins the CAS first changes the result. That numerical error is present on
every affected forward pass, in every decoding configuration.
Greedy decoding is merely where it becomes visible: at temperature 0 the
rounded logit wobble can flip
argmaxbetween repeated identicalgenerations (the trail in #50603). Under sampling (e.g. T=0.6) the same
error hides under the sampler's own noise while still sitting under every
reported metric.
Root cause
gfx11 has no packed bf16/fp16 atomic, so the epilogue emulated one with a
CAS retry loop — which also made the accumulation order scheduler- and
contention-dependent.
Fix
Keep the compute kernels and dispatch unchanged; replace only the epilogue
on both paths:
k_split == 1(WMMA) and
z_count == 1(scalar) keep/store directly — no scratch, noreduce, no atomics.
at::empty: coverage is total byconstruction (every reducer-visible
(z, m, n)slot has exactly onewriter in all seven WMMA variants and the scalar kernel; the invariant
is documented at
alloc_wmma_partials), so there is no zero-fill pass.independent of the caller's M.
Accuracy (W7900/gfx1100, FP32 dequantized reference)
Max abs error, synthetic uint4b8/group-128 weights, K=4096:
bf16 is the headline; fp16 carries 11 mantissa bits so the removed CAS
rounding costs it ~8x less (as expected). *scalar fp16's remaining error
is the classic exllama dequant bit-trick (per-group offset constant
rounded to fp16) — pre-existing, unchanged by this PR.
The earlier "0.028 → 0.0061" measurement is the same bf16 improvement
factor on real Muse weights. bf16 residual error now sits at the final
output cast (1 ulp); WMMA at the B-tile narrowing.
Determinism
Fixed inputs now produce bit-identical outputs on every call: 20/20
benchmark shapes repeatable; real Muse q_proj at M=1 gives 1 distinct
result / 100 calls (previously up to 200/200 distinct). Repeatability
alone is not correctness, so the tests also check values against the FP32
reference — a stale
at::emptyscratch slot would be bitwise-repeatableand wrong, and is caught by the tolerance analysis in the test module.
Performance (W7900/gfx1100, median of 100 CUDA-event timings)
Rows are bf16; fp16 differs in dispatch (bf16 reaches WMMA at
M ≥ 16, fp16 not until M ≥ 64 — at M=16 fp16 is still on the scalar path):
fp16 WMMA rows move the same way (M=64: 104.7→97.8, M=128: 116.1→107.9,
M=512: 353.1→327.6). Full tables for both dtypes incl. N/K/k_split/scratch
per row:
05-benchmark.mdin the evidence package:https://github.com/AIwork4me/vllm/tree/evidence/pr-54706-jartx-w7900/validation-54706-jartx-w7900
(immutable: same tree at commit
https://github.com/AIwork4me/vllm/tree/9bc79045c157dd12a2728cad4e52fd9b21b0ccc3/validation-54706-jartx-w7900)
Notes:
"after" = with the dead zero-fill removed (
at::zeros→at::emptyonce total coverage was proven). Same-M/different-N matters: at M=512,
N=4096 → k_split=4 (32 MB scratch) while N=25600 → k_split=1 (none).
epilogue is now at parity or faster for prefill shapes (bf16 M=16:
53.7 vs 55.3 µs); only M=1 decode pays a residual ~4–10% (scratch
round-trip at tiny output) — the price of bit-reproducibility.
shapes (zero-init was dead traffic).
the same direct-store branch the 64x64 path had: no scratch, no
reduce, partials == nullptr. N=25600 row: bf16 3020.1 -> 2894.2 µs
(-4.2%), fp16 2858.3 -> 2668.6 µs (-6.6%); split-K shapes unchanged
within noise; numerics bit-identical.
Why not FP32 atomics?
gfx11 does have
global_atomic_add_f32; an FP32 scratch accumulated withnative atomics plus one cast pass would remove nearly all the rounding
error with no reduce kernel. We still chose the fixed-order reduce:
FP32 addition is also non-associative, so atomic accumulation remains
order-dependent — vastly better numerically, but not bit-reproducible.
Since bit-exact reproducibility is an explicit goal of this PR, the
fixed ascending-z reduction is the design that guarantees it.
Tests
tests/kernels/quantization/test_rdna3_w4a16_determinism.py— 24 tests:with the scalar regression at K=4096 (16 concurrent writers — well
inside the old failure regime, whose onset was 2–4 writers);
direct-store (k_split == 1 / z_count == 1) paths, both dtypes, with
tolerances derived from each path's rounding structure;
(repeatability + FP32 reference, both dtypes; routing asserted via a
replica of the k_split heuristic);
dist_initfixture (no__enter__leak,no hardcoded MASTER_PORT).
On a locally restored legacy-CAS build, 8 tests fail (7 repeatability +
the scalar-bf16 reference check at max_abs 0.30 vs 0.10 tolerance,
measured on the then-20-test suite); on this PR, 24/24 pass.
Validation
40b2f62061575905aaac8bc360eaea62a4baeb67no-split)
K{4096,6656} with path/k_split/scratch per row (full evidence package
below)
and A/B-control evidence, complete benchmark tables):
https://github.com/AIwork4me/vllm/tree/evidence/pr-54706-jartx-w7900/validation-54706-jartx-w7900
same-input/different-output events across 16,640 intercepted W4A16
GEMM calls
Scope
gfx11 / RDNA3 W4A16 only; no attention-routing changes. The residual
Muse eager/8192 divergence after this fix was traced to ROCm paged
attention V-cache tail consumption and is fixed by #53856. Investigation
trail: #50603; full earlier evidence in the
validation-50603/rdna3-w4a16-upstream-cleanuptree linked there.AI assistance disclosure
AI assistance was used for code iteration, validation orchestration, and
drafting. I reviewed the final diff, kernel behavior, test results,
performance data, and evidence and can explain the change end to end.
Rebase validation (2026-09-09, post-#54809)
Rebased onto upstream/main
385dce36after #54809 (GPTQ act-order/g_idxremoval) and revalidated on gfx1100 (W7900D, torch 2.14.0+rocm7.14,
ROCm 7.2.1 toolchain — same environment as the original campaign):
(
gptq_gemm_rdna3(a, b_q_weight, b_qzeros, b_scales, use_v2_format))kept native — no
b_g_idx/b_q_perm/has_g_idx/w_gidx_param_nameanywhere in the PR
test_rdna3_w4a16,test_rdna3_compile_guards,test_rdna3_w4a16_selection,test_rdna3_moe_w4a16): 148 passed,5 skipped (non-gfx1100 guards), 0 failed
k_split == 1direct-store confirmed (no scratch, no reducer,profiler-verified); split-K control: deterministic FP32 reducer active,
scratch 33.6 MB as designed; scalar z_count=1/z_count=16 paths verified
no-split M=512 N=25600 K=6656 — bf16 2877 µs / fp16 2633 µs (was
2894 / 2669); split-K M=512 N=4096 K=6656 — bf16 545 µs / fp16 507 µs
(was ~528 / ~501); scratch 0 / 33.6 MB unchanged
remain the pre-rebase evidence package (unchanged)
Note: the two commits added on top of the original six adapt the tests to
the post-#54809 API and apply the repo's current formatter pins
(ruff 0.14.0 / clang-format 21.1.2); no semantic changes.