[MoE] Add VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND to override FP8-expert routing indepently of --moe-backend#43334
[MoE] Add VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND to override FP8-expert routing indepently of --moe-backend#43334ECMGit wants to merge 1 commit into
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This pull request introduces the VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND environment variable, allowing users to override the FP8 MoE backend independently of the primary --moe-backend flag. This change addresses scenarios where a specific backend (like flashinfer_b12x for NVFP4) lacks an FP8 equivalent, preventing potential runtime errors in mixed-precision configurations. The map_fp8_backend function has been updated to prioritize this new environment variable and includes improved error reporting to clarify the source of the backend configuration. I have no feedback to provide as there were no review comments to evaluate.
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does #43148 solve your issue? |
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if not can you rebase the fix onto that approach? |
…dently of --moe-backend `--moe-backend` is consumed by both the NVFP4 dispatcher (`oracle/nvfp4.py:map_nvfp4_backend`) and the FP8 dispatcher (`oracle/fp8.py:map_fp8_backend`). For FP4-only kernels -- e.g. `flashinfer_b12x` registered in NVFP4 oracle by PR vllm-project#40082 -- the FP8 dispatcher has no corresponding backend, so on any mixed-precision checkpoint (NVFP4 experts + FP8 experts in the same model) `map_fp8_backend` raises at engine init: ValueError: moe_backend='flashinfer_b12x' is not supported for FP8 MoE. Expected one of ['triton', 'deep_gemm', 'cutlass', 'flashinfer_trtllm', 'flashinfer_cutlass', 'marlin', 'aiter']. This blocks every mixed-precision checkpoint that pairs NVFP4 expert layers with FP8 ones -- e.g. `nvidia/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-2.06GB-per-token` on DGX Spark (GB10 / sm_121a). Such checkpoints are the norm for the 2.06GB-per-token family. Introduce `VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND` so callers can route FP8 experts to a different backend (e.g. `flashinfer_cutlass`) while keeping `--moe-backend=flashinfer_b12x` for the NVFP4 majority. Unset behavior is unchanged -- only callers that explicitly set the env var see the new dispatch. PR vllm-project#42546 ("Support Qwen3.5/3.6 VLM quantized prefix mapping") is unrelated scope (only touches quantization/modelopt.py). There is no other in-review PR proposing VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND; this is a clean net-new env knob. Alternatives considered: 1. Extend b12x to handle FP8 experts -- not feasible; b12x is FP4-only by construction (class docstring: "Only NVFP4 (kNvfp4Static/ kNvfp4Dynamic) quantization is supported"). 2. Auto-fall-back inside map_fp8_backend -- opaque and surprising; an explicit env-var opt-in is safer until the FP4/FP8 split is formalized in --moe-backend. 3. Per-layer-class backend selection in the model card -- larger refactor; this env var is the minimal unblocker. Tested on DGX Spark (GB10, sm_121a) with vllm/vllm-openai:nightly-aarch64 + this PR + the b12x-W4A16-supports companion PR. Model: nvidia/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-2.06GB-per-token (modelopt-native, mixed NVFP4 + FP8 experts). Recipe: export VLLM_NVFP4_GEMM_BACKEND=flashinfer-b12x export VLLM_USE_FLASHINFER_MOE_FP4=1 export VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND=flashinfer_cutlass # THIS PR vllm serve nvidia/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-2.06GB-per-token \ --moe-backend=flashinfer_b12x --quantization=modelopt ... aiperf K=3 AL=3.12, BS=1, ISL=2048+32K prefix=34,831, OSL=1024, 60 measured + 10 warmup, 0 errors: Output Token Throughput : 91.00 tok/s Output Token Throughput / user : 97.42 tok/s/user TTFT : 746.81 ms ITL : 10.27 ms MTP acceptance length : 3.15 (target 3.12) Without this change, serve dies at engine init with the ValueError above before any throughput can be measured. Signed-off-by: Junhao Shen <junshen@nvidia.com>
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I've done the rebase, please check it out. |
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@ECMGit @xinli-sw could we solve this by introducing granularity to I'm curious why you need to specify |
Hi @mgoin thanks for reviewing it. let me explain the intention for this fix: this is for mixed-precision checkpoints like interleave NVFP4 and FP8 experts in the same model. if b12x as default I can switch to |
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@ECMGit I think you missed my second point - why do you need to set |
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Hi @mgoin , I think you are right. I've ran and re-test it on my end:
PR #43334 is not needed for the Qwen3.6-35B mixed-precision checkpoint. |
Purpose
--moe-backendis consumed by both the NVFP4 dispatcher (oracle/nvfp4.py:map_nvfp4_backend) and the FP8 dispatcher (oracle/fp8.py:map_fp8_backend). For FP4-only kernels — e.g.flashinfer_b12x, registered in the NVFP4 oracle by PR #40082 — the FP8 dispatcher has no corresponding backend, so on any mixed-precision checkpoint (NVFP4 experts + FP8 experts in the same model)map_fp8_backendraises at engine init:This blocks every mixed-precision checkpoint that pairs NVFP4 expert layers with FP8 ones — e.g.
nvidia/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-2.06GB-per-tokenon DGX Spark (GB10 / sm_121a). Such checkpoints are the norm for the 2.06GB-per-token family.Change:
Introduce
VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKENDso callers can route FP8 experts to a different backend while keeping--moe-backend=flashinfer_b12xfor the NVFP4 majority.vllm/envs.py: declareVLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND(literal of valid FP8 backend strings, defaultNone).vllm/model_executor/layers/fused_moe/oracle/fp8.py:map_fp8_backendreadsenvs.VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKENDas an override before consultingrunner_backend; error message identifies the source.Unset behavior is unchanged — only callers that explicitly set the env var see the new dispatch.
Alternatives considered:
map_fp8_backend— opaque to callers and surprising; an explicit env-var opt-in is safer until the FP4/FP8 split is formalized in--moe-backend.Risk: Low. Adds one env var (default unset → unchanged behavior).
map_fp8_backendonly branches when the env var is set; the existing error path is preserved for misconfigured values.Test Plan
Hardware: DGX Spark (GB10, sm_121a)
Container:
vllm/vllm-openai:nightly-aarch64+ this PR + the b12x-W4A16-supports companion PRModel:
nvidia/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-2.06GB-per-token(modelopt-native, mixed NVFP4 + FP8 experts)Tooling: FlashInfer
0.6.11.post3, cutlass-dsl trio4.5.1Recipe:
Benchmark (aiperf): K=3 AL=3.12, BS=1 / concurrency=1, ISL=2048 + 32K user-context (total ISL=34,831), OSL=1024, 10 warmup + 60 measured requests,
--use-server-token-count --streaming.Negative test (without
VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKENDset): verify the error path still triggers and the message correctly identifies the source.Test Result
Without this PR (current behavior on mixed-precision checkpoint):
Serve dies at engine init; no throughput measurement possible.
With this PR +
VLLM_FP8_MOE_BACKEND=flashinfer_cutlass:With this PR + env var unset (regression sanity): same error as "Without this PR" above is raised, now annotated with
(from --moe-backend)to disambiguate the source.Essential Elements of an Effective PR Description Checklist
supported_models.mdandexamplesfor a new model.