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seealso: #42845 deepseek-ai/DeepGEMM#338

Purpose

MegaMoE currently packs activations as FP8 (E4M3) in the symmetric buffer before dispatch. On Blackwell (SM100), FP4 (E2M1) packing would halve the buffer footprint and unlock the MXF4 mainloop (K=64 dense vs K=32 padded) in DeepGEMM.

However, upstream DeepGEMM does not yet support FP4 activations end-to-end. The fp8_fp4_mega_moe kernel hardcodes a_dtype_t = float_e4m3_t, get_symm_buffer_size_for_mega_moe allocates input token buffers at FP8 width (hidden bytes/token), and the dispatch stage TMA loads assume FP8 layout. The use_fp8_dispatch parameter exists in the API signature but is not wired through to the buffer sizing or kernel logic. An RFC has been filed at deepseek-ai/DeepGEMM to track this.

This PR provides a proof-of-concept using sgl-deep-gemm>=0.1.0, which ships a mega_moe_pre_dispatch() CUDA kernel that handles E2M1 packing + FP4-aware buffer allocation. Two opt-in env vars, both default off:

  • VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS -- use deep_gemm.mega_moe_pre_dispatch() for E2M1 activation packing instead of the Triton staging kernel
  • VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND -- switches to kind::mxf4 mainloop, requires FP4 acts

When enabled, imports external deep_gemm for buffer allocation and pre-dispatch. When disabled, vendored vllm.third_party.deep_gemm is used as before -- zero change to default path.

Flags forwarded to the external deep_gemm via os.environ.setdefault("DG_USE_FP4_ACTS", ...) so explicit DG_USE_* overrides still win.

Files: vllm/envs.py, vllm/model_executor/models/deepseek_v4.py

Upstream Gap Analysis

Checked deepseek-ai/DeepGEMM (latest, identical to vendored commit 891d57b for the mega module):

  • csrc/apis/mega.hpp: get_symm_buffer_size_for_mega_moe accepts use_fp8_dispatch but ignores it -- input_token_buffer is always layout::Data(hidden) (FP8, 1 byte/element)
  • sm100_fp8_fp4_mega_moe.cuh line 162-163: a_dtype_t = cutlass::float_e4m3_t -- UMMA configured for FP8 activations only
  • Dispatch pull stage: TMA loads kHidden bytes per token (FP8 width)
  • slice_input_buffers returns x as [tokens, hidden] float8, x_sf as [tokens, hidden/128]

None of these support FP4 activations. Full FP4 activation support requires changes at the C++/CUDA kernel level (buffer sizing, TMA load widths, UMMA A-matrix dtype), which is being tracked via the upstream RFC.

Test Plan

Hardware: 8x B200 (SM100, 183GB). Accuracy: GSM8K full test set (1319 samples), greedy decoding, max_tokens=2048, concurrency=32.

Dep: pip install sgl-deep-gemm==0.1.0

V4-Flash (256 experts, hidden=4096, 43 layers), DP=4:

# w4a8 baseline
vllm serve /path/to/DeepSeek-V4-Flash \
  --trust-remote-code --kv-cache-dtype fp8 --block-size 256 \
  --enable-expert-parallel --data-parallel-size 4 \
  --moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe --enforce-eager

# w4a4 (this PR)
VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS=1 VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND=1 \
vllm serve /path/to/DeepSeek-V4-Flash \
  --trust-remote-code --kv-cache-dtype fp8 --block-size 256 \
  --enable-expert-parallel --data-parallel-size 4 \
  --moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe --enforce-eager

V4-Pro (384 experts, hidden=7168, 61 layers), TP=8:

# w4a8 baseline
vllm serve /path/to/DeepSeek-V4-Pro \
  --trust-remote-code --kv-cache-dtype fp8 --block-size 256 \
  --enable-expert-parallel --tensor-parallel-size 8 \
  --moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe --enforce-eager

# w4a4 (this PR)
VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS=1 VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND=1 \
vllm serve /path/to/DeepSeek-V4-Pro \
  --trust-remote-code --kv-cache-dtype fp8 --block-size 256 \
  --enable-expert-parallel --tensor-parallel-size 8 \
  --moe-backend deep_gemm_mega_moe --enforce-eager

Eval: hit /v1/chat/completions, extract final number after ####, compare against reference.

Test Result

Accuracy (GSM8K, 1319 samples, greedy)

V4-Flash: w4a8 93.86% (1238/1319) -> w4a4 94.39% (1245/1319), delta +0.53%
V4-Pro: w4a8 91.81% (1211/1319) -> w4a4 91.13% (1202/1319), delta -0.68%

Both within noise. No meaningful accuracy degradation from FP4 activation packing.

Performance (V4-Flash, DP=4, 8×B200)

Benchmark config: 500 prompts, input_len=1024, output_len=8, max-concurrency=64, request-rate=inf, --max-cudagraph-capture-size 512, random dataset.

Metric w4a8 w4a4 Delta
Request throughput (req/s) 11.21 17.73 +58.2%
Total token throughput (tok/s) 11,565.65 18,294.09 +58.2%
Output token throughput (tok/s) 89.66 141.81 +58.2%
Mean TTFT (ms) 3,789.39 1,834.52 -51.6%
Median TTFT (ms) 832.51 639.82 -23.1%
P99 TTFT (ms) 12,302.93 12,063.23 -1.9%
Mean TPOT (ms) 272.46 251.78 -7.6%
Median TPOT (ms) 75.91 69.89 -7.9%

Key takeaway: ~58% throughput improvement, ~52% mean TTFT reduction. The gain is dominated by prefill (MXF4 mainloop K=64 dense vs K=32 padded). Decode TPOT improves ~8% from reduced buffer bandwidth.

What Happens When Upstream Supports FP4 Acts

Once deepseek-ai/DeepGEMM wires use_fp8_dispatch=False through to buffer sizing + kernel:

  1. Bump vendored commit in cmake/external_projects/deepgemm.cmake
  2. Replace sgl-deep-gemm path with a Triton FP4 staging kernel (~40 lines, E2M1 bucketize + pack) or use whatever staging API upstream provides
  3. Change get_symm_buffer_for_mega_moe(..., use_fp8_dispatch=False) -- the parameter already exists
  4. Remove import branches (3 sites), drop sgl-deep-gemm dep
  5. DG_USE_FP4_ACTS / DG_USE_MXF4_KIND env forwarding likely becomes unnecessary -- remove _apply_mega_moe_dg_env
  6. Move env vars from experimental to stable

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This pull request introduces experimental support for FP4 activations in DeepSeek-V4 MegaMoE by adding new environment variables and logic to conditionally use an external deep_gemm library. Review feedback identifies a critical memory corruption risk because the input staging kernel still processes data as FP8 while the buffer sizing is updated for FP4. Additionally, it is recommended to move environment variable modifications to the model initialization phase to ensure thread safety and to add validation logic for the new configuration flags.

Comment on lines +610 to +613
if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS:
import deep_gemm
else:
import vllm.third_party.deep_gemm as deep_gemm

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The implementation is incomplete and will lead to memory corruption when VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS is enabled. While get_symm_buffer is updated to use the external deep_gemm for FP4-aware sizing, the _run_mega_moe function (lines 665-701) still calls the Triton staging kernel _stage_deepseek_v4_mega_moe_inputs, which writes FP8 data (1 byte per element) into the buffer. This will overflow the FP4-sized buffer. Furthermore, _run_mega_moe still imports and uses the vendored vllm.third_party.deep_gemm for the kernel call, which does not support the FP4 activation layout. You must update _run_mega_moe to use deep_gemm.mega_moe_pre_dispatch and the external deep_gemm kernel when the flag is set.

        if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS:
            try:
                import deep_gemm
            except ImportError:
                raise ImportError(
                    "sgl-deep-gemm is required when "
                    "VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS is enabled. "
                    "Please install it with `pip install sgl-deep-gemm>=0.1.0`."
                ) from None
        else:
            import vllm.third_party.deep_gemm as deep_gemm

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def _apply_mega_moe_dg_env() -> None:
"""Forward VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_* env vars to DeepGEMM internals.

Experimental: uses external deep_gemm (sgl-deep-gemm) for FP4 acts.
TODO(upstream): remove once vendored deep_gemm includes
mega_moe_pre_dispatch and FP4-aware buffer sizing.
"""
global _MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED
if _MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED:
return
if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS:
os.environ.setdefault("DG_USE_FP4_ACTS", "1")
if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND:
os.environ.setdefault("DG_USE_MXF4_KIND", "1")
_MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED = True

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_apply_mega_moe_dg_env modifies os.environ globally and is called during the forward pass via get_symm_buffer. Modifying environment variables at runtime is generally thread-unsafe and can lead to race conditions. This configuration should be applied once during model initialization, for example in DeepseekV4MegaMoEExperts.__init__. Additionally, you should add a check to ensure that VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND is only enabled when VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS is also set, as the former requires the latter.

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def _apply_mega_moe_dg_env() -> None:
"""Forward VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_* env vars to DeepGEMM internals.
Experimental: uses external deep_gemm (sgl-deep-gemm) for FP4 acts.
TODO(upstream): remove once vendored deep_gemm includes
mega_moe_pre_dispatch and FP4-aware buffer sizing.
"""
global _MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED
if _MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED:
return
if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS:
os.environ.setdefault("DG_USE_FP4_ACTS", "1")
if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND:
os.environ.setdefault("DG_USE_MXF4_KIND", "1")
_MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED = True
def _apply_mega_moe_dg_env() -> None:
"""Forward VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_* env vars to DeepGEMM internals.
Experimental: uses external deep_gemm (sgl-deep-gemm) for FP4 acts.
TODO(upstream): remove once vendored deep_gemm includes
mega_moe_pre_dispatch and FP4-aware buffer sizing.
"""
global _MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED
if _MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED:
return
if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS:
os.environ.setdefault("DG_USE_FP4_ACTS", "1")
if envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND:
if not envs.VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS:
raise ValueError("VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND requires "
"VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS=1")
os.environ.setdefault("DG_USE_MXF4_KIND", "1")
_MEGA_MOE_DG_ENV_APPLIED = True

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This pull request has merge conflicts that must be resolved before it can be
merged. Please rebase the PR, @wuudiz.

https://docs.github.com/en/pull-requests/collaborating-with-pull-requests/working-with-forks/syncing-a-fork

wuddiz added 4 commits May 25, 2026 14:32
Add two opt-in env vars (both default off) to control FP4 activation
packing in DeepSeek V4 MegaMoE:
- VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS: enables E2M1 packing path
- VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND: switches to mxf4 mainloop

Also add the required imports (os, vllm.envs) to deepseek_v4.py in
preparation for subsequent patches.

Signed-off-by: wuddiz <wuddiz@users.noreply.github.com>
…mm import in get_symm_buffer

Add _apply_mega_moe_dg_env() which forwards VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_*
env vars to DeepGEMM internals via os.environ.setdefault, ensuring
explicit DG_USE_* overrides still win. The once-only guard prevents
double-application.

In get_symm_buffer(), call the helper then conditionally import the
external deep_gemm (sgl-deep-gemm) for FP4-aware buffer sizing, or
fall back to the vendored path when FP4 acts are disabled.

TODO: collapse import branches to vendored path once upstream
deepseek-ai/DeepGEMM merges FP4 buffer layout support.

Signed-off-by: wuddiz <wuddiz@users.noreply.github.com>
…experimental)

When VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_FP4_ACTS=1, replace the Triton
_stage_deepseek_v4_mega_moe_inputs staging kernel with
deep_gemm.mega_moe_pre_dispatch(), which packs activations as FP4
(E2M1) instead of FP8 (E4M3). This halves the symmetric buffer
footprint and, combined with VLLM_DEEPGEMM_MEGA_MOE_USE_MXF4_KIND=1,
unlocks the MXF4 mainloop (K=64 dense vs K=32 padded) on Blackwell.

Accuracy (GSM8K, 1319 samples, greedy):
  V4-Flash: w4a8 93.86% -> w4a4 94.39% (+0.53%, within noise)
  V4-Pro:   w4a8 91.81% -> w4a4 91.13% (-0.68%, within noise)

When disabled (default), the original vendored path is used unchanged.

TODO: collapse import branches to vendored path once upstream
deepseek-ai/DeepGEMM merges mega_moe_pre_dispatch and FP4 buffer
layout support.

Signed-off-by: wuddiz <wuddiz@users.noreply.github.com>
…p-gemm dependency

Update docstring and inline comments to more accurately describe the
transitional status: upstream DeepGEMM accepts use_fp8_dispatch but
does not yet wire it end-to-end; sgl-deep-gemm is used as a PoC
bridge until upstream support lands.

Signed-off-by: wuddiz <wuddiz@users.noreply.github.com>
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