RFC: #[used] static variables

[japaric]

RFC to stabilize the experimental #[used] feature added in rust-lang/rust#39987.

This feature has been in the compiler for a bit over a year; it's being widely used in embedded /
no-std context; and it has had no bugs filled against it (other than rust-lang/rust#41628 which was
filled shortly after the feature was added).

Tracking issue: rust-lang/rust#40289.

The embedded WG would like to see this feature stabilized in time for the edition release as it appears often in core components of the embedded ecosystem; it's not a blocker for the edition release though as it can be worked around.

Rendered

cc @aturon

[clarfonthey]

While I know that C using used is a huge precedent for going with the name used, I'd like to see a bit more discussion of alternative names just so that we're clear that we've exhausted our options.

I personally think that #[no_remove] may be a bit cleaner, as it goes along nicely with #[no_mangle]. Also, #[preserve] was suggested in the past and I didn't 100% read up on why that name wasn't chosen.

[phil-opp]

There is an issue that a static is optimized away if it's in an otherwise unused module, even with the #[used] attribute: rust-lang/rust#47384 (comment). This was resolved.

[nikomatsakis]

I'm inclined to merge -- this seems pretty low risk. If we come up with some other attribute that can serve this purpose, we can always deprecate #[used].

[jminer]

I think the attribute should be renamed. I think a verb would fit Rust's naming conventions better instead of an adjective. My day job is mainly embedded development, and IAR's linker uses a keep option to prevent unused symbols from being removed. (IAR may be the most popular embedded compiler.) I think it would be easier to remember what either #[no_remove] or #[keep] do than to remember #[used]. They are much more self-describing.

[mjbshaw]

Yes, "used" isn't the most straight-forward name. I personally prefer something like #[preserve(linker)] (with #[keep] as second(ish) choice; I prefer to avoid negation where possible (e.g. #[no_remove])). The primary benefit of the name #[used] is that it matches LLVM's and GCC's __attribute__((used)). People familiar with LLVM's and GCC's attribute should easily understand what #[used] does.

I'd rather have #[used] (as-is, with its current name) sooner rather than bikeshed the name and delay its stabilization. I've got some code that's raring to use it. A follow-up RFC could always introduce a new name or attribute (and deprecate the "used" name).

[nagisa]

Deprecating just for the sake of name most likely won't ever happen, so if we aren't content with the name the time to bikeshed is now. I use both IAR and Linux toolchains and am more partial to GCC naming convention, but admittedly #[used] clashes somewhat with #[must_use]. On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 06:34 Michael Bradshaw <[email protected]> wrote:

Yes, "used" isn't the most straight-forward name. I personally prefer something like #[preserve(linker)] (with #[keep] as second(ish) choice; I prefer to avoid negation where possible (e.g. #[no_remove])). The primary benefit of the name #[used] is that it matches LLVM's and GCC's __attribute__((used)). People familiar with LLVM's and GCC's attribute should easily understand what #[used] does. I'd rather have #[used] (as-is, with its current name) sooner rather than bikeshed the name and delay its stabilization. I've got some code that's raring to use it. A follow-up RFC could always introduce a new name (and deprecate the "used" name). — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#2386 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AApc0v4opUHRh3QE_VB0do9ig3knZdnQks5toBzNgaJpZM4TFjol> .

On Apr 13, 2018 06:34, "Michael Bradshaw" <[email protected]> wrote: Yes, "used" isn't the most straight-forward name. I personally prefer something like #[preserve(linker)] (with #[keep] as second(ish) choice; I prefer to avoid negation where possible (e.g. #[no_remove])). The primary benefit of the name #[used] is that it matches LLVM's and GCC's __attribute__((used)). People familiar with LLVM's and GCC's attribute should easily understand what #[used] does. I'd rather have #[used] (as-is, with its current name) sooner rather than bikeshed the name and delay its stabilization. I've got some code that's raring to use it. A follow-up RFC could always introduce a new name (and deprecate the "used" name). — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#2386 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AApc0v4opUHRh3QE_VB0do9ig3knZdnQks5toBzNgaJpZM4TFjol> .

[clarfonthey]

So, collecting what's proposed:

• #[used]
• #[no_remove]
• #[preserve] or #[preserve(linker)]
• #[keep]

I would also propose #[link_keep], for consistency with the existing link_* attributes.

[Centril]

@japaric We discussed this on the latest lang team meeting and the feeling was that #[used] was too vague. The general sense on the meeting was that #[link_keep] is more descriptive and that a longer attribute name is OK since the use case is niche. What do you think?

[ssokolow]

I'm not part of the target user base, but I don't see a 9-character name like link_keep being excessive (eg. it's only one character more than derive()) and the link_ prefix is certainly worth it for the improved ability to guess what it means. (I also agree that having a verb like keep helps to bolster intuitiveness.)

[jcsoo]

Discussed at the embedded-wg meeting, and #[link_keep] sounds fine.

[nagisa]

#[link_keep] says to me that this is something the link step (so, the linker) should keep rather than something that should be kept intact until linking.

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On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 22:16 Jonathan Soo ***@***.***> wrote: Discussed at the embedded-wg meeting, and #[link_keep] sounds fine. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#2386 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AApc0uBBm6mkBuiiLtPCOOv9XruD3FJXks5tr3oZgaJpZM4TFjol> .

[japaric]

Discussed at the embedded-wg meeting, and #[link_keep] sounds fine.

To further elaborate: we are fine with any name.

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Personally, I'd rather not spend much time trying to find the "perfect" name. Very few people are going to directly deal with this feature; most people will depend on it because some crate in their dependency graph is using it. Some other people will indirectly use this feature behind a macro that ensures that's not misused (#[used] is often paired with #[link_section]; the later is much more of a footgun and easier to get wrong -- the macro is to prevent you from misusing the later).

Ultimately, I think the documentation is more important than the name of the feature and that's already covered by the RFC. All the suggested names sound fine to me; anyone will do, IMO.

[aturon]

We briefly discussed this RFC in the last lang team meeting to generally positive response. We need to resolve the naming, but I'm going to go ahead and push toward FCP/full review:

@rfcbot fcp merge

[rfcbot]

Team member @aturon has proposed to merge this. The next step is review by the rest of the tagged teams:

• @aturon
• @cramertj
• @eddyb
• @joshtriplett
• @nikomatsakis
• @nrc
• @pnkfelix
• @scottmcm
• @withoutboats

Concerns:

• attribute-name resolved by RFC: #[used] static variables #2386 (comment)

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[Centril]

@nagisa While that reading is possible, I think in this case, #[link_keep] works well with #[link_section(..)] and associates them closer together, which is good. We could go with #[keep_until_link] but I think as @japaric that the documentation is the most important bit here since it is quite a niche feature. I think link_section is sufficiently specific so that it is easy to google.

@japaric Mind updating the RFC to use #[link_keep]?

[joshtriplett]

I'm fine with #[link_keep]; that said, I'd also like to request that the documentation specifically mention that this works similarly to the C __attribute__((used)), to make it easy for people to find and understand this.

(Edit: no longer fine with #[link_keep]; see below.

[nagisa]

Let me elaborate on my comment. I’m a target audience for #[used] and I find #[link_keep] one of the worst options for the name.

Even with good documentation, there’s a lot of value in concept having a self-descriptive name for people who are already familiar with said concept. link_keep self-describes as something that would retain items even through linking (cf. the .KEEP directive in the linker script), which is not true – it only does that until the linker is invoked.

So, even if somebody duckduckcame upon this attribute, without knowing about it a priori, it would require them to read through the whole documentation on the attribute to make sure it does what they want it to do. Lest they miss that extremely subtle distinction between attribute keeping items until or after linking (and they wanted the latter), they would spend a good few hours pondering why the attribute is “not working”. The name is outright confusing.

I do agree that the attribute doesn’t need to be very terse, though, and thus #[keep_(un)till_link] is way better in my books.

[joshtriplett]

@rfcbot concern attribute-name

@nagisa That's a very good point! I hadn't thought about the potential implication there, but you're right, this doesn't affect the linker, it affects the compiler. That does make #[link_keep] the wrong name for this.

Given that, I'd personally favor #[used], for compatibility with existing C code and knowledge. I'd hesitate to introduce a new name for this.

I think this goes beyond bikeshedding, because there's a serious question here about compatibility (with widespread existing understanding) and descriptiveness (can we make something sufficiently more descriptive that it's worth not using the name "used" with all the understanding attached to that name).

[nikomatsakis]

My 2 cents: While I don't have a strong opinion on the name, I tend to think that using a "familiar" name is a decent thing, in the absence of a strong alternative -- that is, I expect that most people who want this feature will go looking for it by asking "what is the equivalent to __attribute(used)__, and hence if the name is "used" they are more likely to successfully find it. But really I could go any which way.

[Centril]

OK; So I was writing this comment about how #[used] is would be too hard to find on google. Then I actually tried searching for "rust used" and the first search result was the right one. So I take back everything I said around the vagueness of #[used] in terms of being able to search for easily.

That said, if #[keep_until_link] satisfies @nagisa's concerns, then that would be my preference but #[used] seems fine too.

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Beyond this RFC, and on a tangent, @joshtriplett raised the idea on the lang meeting today of some more general mechanism by which you can search for an attribute via https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/std/?search=%23%5Bused%5D. cc @rust-lang/docs on that.

[joshtriplett]

@Centril Thanks for capturing that!

I do think that'd be generally useful for things like "what do you call ? so I can search for it", or "what's the trait associated with this operator", or "how do I find #[used] given that search engines ignore the punctuation" (or, for that matter, "what's the name of things that start with #[").

[QuietMisdreavus]

@joshtriplett At least for the "what's the trait associated with this operator", we've just gotten those added in thanks to rust-lang/rust#49757 and rust-lang/rust#50231.

The issue for searching for specific attributes in the standard library docs is that most often there's no page for it to land on. The Reference is the better place for that.

[Centril]

@QuietMisdreavus The reference is not searchable tho (can we change that?); Couldn't the standard library documentation simply take all attributes and link to the reference?

[QuietMisdreavus]

@Centril

1. It is now! mdbook got this change a while back. There's a faint magnifying glass icon in the header now.
2. To add this documentation to the standard library docs, it would need to be done as an extension to rustdoc, in the end. Rustdoc needs an item to add something to the search index. Sometimes this lands as a weird hack - for example, since the primitives don't show up in libcore as actual items, libstd has a bunch of dummy modules with special attributes that rustdoc specifically looks for. Something similar needs to happen for "the list of all known attributes". Rustdoc needs to be made aware of this list so it can create pages for them.

[joshtriplett]

@petrochenkov

In addition to linking-related consequences it makes #[unused] lints not fire on items marked as #[used], which seems pretty consistent to me.

Exactly. That's also consistent with GCC/LLVM: __attribute__((unused)) and __attribute__((used)) both suppress warnings about unused code, but unused still lets the compiler throw it away, while used forces the compiler to keep it.

[repax]

I have three issues with #[used]:

• It is ungracefully similar to the already present #[must_use].
• A clique of embedded devs would know when to use it, yes, but anyone else might encounter it and be confused -- because:
• Calling it "used" says that it is used, yes, but that's rather vague and it does not entail what the linker is supposed to do.

Please consider my library example above. An extern fn is exported by a library in Rust. This library can be used by other languages, such as C. The extern keyword is to the point, descriptive and precise. The linker knows what to do. The reader knows that this item is meant to be available from outside of the code at hand. It's not merely used.

I'm not against anything here in particular. I just see this moment as an opportunity to choose a better name.

[joshtriplett]

@rfcbot resolved attribute-name

We discussed this in the lang team meeting, and ended up deciding to paint this bikeshed used-colored. :)

[rfcbot]

🔔 This is now entering its final comment period, as per the review above. 🔔

[frehberg]

I would use this annotation to prevent the optimizer from eliminating unused variables, so my proposal would be

#[keep_unused]

[liigo]

#[link_used]

[anirudhb]

@frehberg That seems more like it would keep all unused variables. That might make Rust's 'unused variable' lint useless on statics.
I propose #[preserve]

[rfcbot]

The final comment period, with a disposition to merge, as per the review above, is now complete.

[Centril]

Huzzah! This RFC is merged!

Tracking issue: rust-lang/rust#40289

[euclio]

I'm probably too late to chime in, but was #[link(used)] considered? That keeps the familiarity of the C attribute while clearly marking that it's an attribute that concerns the linker.

[joshtriplett]

@euclio Not a bad idea, but the #[link(...)] attribute already exists for linking libraries, and in that capacity only applies to an extern block. Repurposing it for this, and changing it to apply to all symbols, seems problematic.

[euclio]

Ah, I should've taken a look at the list of attributes. #[linker(used)] might work, or some other form of "namespacing".

[liigo]

#[used] is misleading. It's used until linking, but not used at writing or compiling code.
should be #[to_be_used] or #[maybe_useful], or #[useful] for short?
useful also implies: compiler, don't dismiss this item, it's useful for later use, i.e. linking.

[CryZe]

Yeah, imo it should definitely have link as part of the attribute somewhere Liigo Zhuang <[email protected]> schrieb am Mi. 6. Juni 2018 um 05:13:

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#[used] is misleading. It's used until linking, but not used at writing or compiling code. should be #[to_be_used] or #[maybe_useful], or #[useful] for short? useful also implies: compiler, don't dismiss this item, it's useful for later use, i.e. linking. — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#2386 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABYmbjZbz4ucUETdD1FLR4skv7hql46Dks5t50jDgaJpZM4TFjol> .