include many new espeak variants in attachment #14629
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@josephsl, I am not against closing. But for future trackability, could you provide a reason why you have closed this issu? |
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As the reasoning for this feature request is missing I've converted this to a discussion. |
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some of the variants are a novelty, while most others greatly improve people's ability to both understand speech, use NVDA, and use android and IOS as a result of the new variants. |
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I have a friend who used eloquence for decades. When I showed him how good espeak has become because of the new variants, particularly the klatt 6 speech player variants, he has since switched and is using espeak insteaf of using eloquence. The new variants really help with how pleasant and understandable espeak ng now is. |
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Could you explain which variants are important to include? |
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yes. The variants which are important to include are: |
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The source of the zip file is from Guillermo from Spain and one or two other people from Chile. The voices are not part of the main espeak project, but it would greatly improve espeak if they were a part of the main espeak project because the Klatt-based-voices or speech-player-based-voices, klatt6 voices, are far more pleasant to listen to than the default espeak voices. I did let a few default non-klatt voices in there for those who like them, and the none variant should still be there because its a default voice variant. But many people including myself really like klatt6 voices. And the file I sent has a lot of them. I also lower espeak's inflection down to 20 or 30 by default because then it sounds more monotone and predictable letting me and others used to eloquence, focus more on what I and we, are reading. For me and others used to eloquence, a very high inflection is distracting when trying to read and edit text. But very high inflections like an inflection of 90 to 100% is good for reading certain kinds of text, so keeping the ability to change inflection or pitch variation is important. |
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Without understanding the licensing, we cannot integrate these into NVDA. I would suggest that the creators of these voices
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also for me, and I would guess for others used to eloquence, we find the faster the speech, the lower the inflection. Reading an entertaining short story at a slow speech rate with extremely high pitch variation or inflection is good. Trying to fill out a big online form, using very fast speech, is only good with a very low pitch variation, low inflection of about 20 or 30 percent. |
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I think that only the few he mentions are really of any use, However for
those with long memories, the add on that was created for the old Espeak
that sounded a bit more like Eloquence was perhaps better than these. Its a
pity it could not have been made to work on newer code.
The others seem to be merely tweaks of the ones that exist already. I guess
to be fair, some of the non silly ones could make certain languages better,
but I would not dare to comment.
I mean given a few hours anyone can tweak a voice on Espeak, as it is well
documented on which of the parameters do what.
However it is still Espeak, based on the same samples, so will always have
a similarity. One has to beware when creating them not to set the volume of
certain frequencies too high, as some of the new ones do, as they tend to
rattle or sound distorted on small laptop speakers. That is why the Quincy
and Auntie voices I originally made are slightly lower in volume.
I do find the bare bones None voice particularly annoying as it has a huge
peak in the presence range, but then each to their own.
Brian
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Could you explain which variants are important to include?
Can you explain what the source of this zip file is?
It's not immediately clear where these voices are from. Are they part of
the main espeak project https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng?
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don't discount the novelty variants. and the variants that pause after every word like the weird variant, child and female klatt variants, even the baby variant. That is because for people with hearing issues and other disabilities, those variants may work great for them. |
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see also discussions in issue #561. |
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Please include all the new espeak ng klatt6 speech player variants included in the attached zip file in the new NVDA. There are new baby variants, child, male, female, alien and bug and robot variants, many based on klatt6 nv speech player. With all these new speech player based klatt6 variants, and the improvements in espeak ng the need for eloquence is going away.
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