Node.js Foundation Core Technical Committee (CTC) Meeting 2016-08-24 #8242

Trott · 2016-08-23T21:00:09Z

Time

UTC Wed 24-Aug-2016 20:00:

Timezone	Date/Time
US / Pacific	Wed 24-Aug-2016 13:00
US / Mountain	Wed 24-Aug-2016 14:00
US / Central	Wed 24-Aug-2016 15:00
US / Eastern	Wed 24-Aug-2016 16:00
Amsterdam	Wed 24-Aug-2016 22:00
Berlin	Wed 24-Aug-2016 22:00
Moscow	Wed 24-Aug-2016 23:00
Tokyo	Thu 25-Aug-2016 05:00
Sydney	Thu 25-Aug-2016 06:00

Or in your local time:

Links

Minutes Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mkOUQ-M3s6zV2ige00hj6IIlT5oGQcw1USeliRqRDSk
Previous Minutes Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10fKK2lyZrxJ1Gt4zJvVSIsfmTGVD547vJJOp6eVKk-k

Agenda

Extracted from ctc-agenda labelled issues and pull requests from the nodejs org prior to the meeting.

nodejs/node

CTC membership nomination: @thealphanerd #8058
buffer: hard-deprecate Buffer constructor #7152
fs: don't alter user provided options object #7831
fs: undeprecate existsSync; use access instead of stat for performance #7455
doc: add Google Analytics tracking. #6601
Introduce staging branch for stable release streams #6306
Seek legal advice on LICENSE and copyright blocks in code #3979

nodejs/api

Landing node-eps for ABI stable module and location for PoC code #28

Invited

Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC)
Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39)
Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (CTC)
Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC)
Chris Dickinson @chrisdickinson (CTC)
Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (CTC)
Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC)
Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC)
Tracy Hinds @hackygolucky (observer/Node.js Foundation)
Fedor Indutny @indutny (CTC)
James M Snell @jasnell (CTC)
Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft)
Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC)
Julien Gilli @misterdjules (CTC)
Mikeal Rogers @mikeal (observer/Node.js Foundation)
Brian White @mscdex (CTC)
Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC)
Jenn Turner @renrutnnej (observer/Node.js Foundation)
Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC)
Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google)
Shigeki Ohtsu @shigeki (CTC)
Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU)
Myles Borins @thealphanerd (observer)
Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC)
Rich Trott @Trott (CTC)

Notes

The agenda comes from issues labelled with ctc-agenda across all of the repositories in the nodejs org. Please label any additional issues that should be on the agenda before the meeting starts.

Joining the meeting

Uberconference; participants should have the link
& numbers, contact me if you don't.

Public participation

We stream our conference call straight to YouTube so anyone can listen
to it live, it should start playing at
https://www.youtube.com/c/nodejs+foundation/live when we turn it on.
There's usually a short cat-herding time at the start of the meeting and
then occasionally we have some quick private business to attend to
before we can start recording & streaming. So be patient and it should
show up.

Many of us will be on IRC in #node-dev on Freenode if you'd like to
interact, we have a Q/A session scheduled at the end of the meeting if
you'd like us to discuss anything in particular. @nodejs/collaborators
in particular if there's anything you need from the CTC that's not worth
putting on as a separate agenda item, this is a good place for it.

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Trott · 2016-08-23T21:00:38Z

Standup section of the new doc is ready to be filled out for anyone looking to get a jump.

This meeting will be happening in 23 hours from now.

jasnell · 2016-08-23T21:06:05Z

Reminder to @nodejs/ctc members: We will be voting on the nomination of @thealphanerd to the CTC this week so please come prepared!

Trott · 2016-08-23T21:13:28Z

@nodejs/ctc:

Biggest thing of note to be prepared for, in my opinion at least:

This will be (I think) the third time we will be discussing the Buffer hard deprecation stuff. @addaleax wrote a single-comment summary of the two decisions that need to be made. If you read nothing else about this issue, please read that so we can avoid unnecessarily spending time being briefed on the subject.

Important next-step item that I don't think happened:

@jasnell was going to set up a Doodle poll so we could set up an additional meeting specifically for modules. If that's happened, could someone drop a link in here? If it hasn't happened and your name rhymes with Rames Rell, consider doing it posthaste. If it hasn't happened and your name does not rhyme with Rames Rell, consider asking someone whose name rhymes with Rames Rell if they would mind if you took it on and just did it. This is especially true if your GitHub handle is @bmeck , since there's not much point in having that meeting without Bradley.

Also of note:

We will be voting on adding @thealphanerd to the CTC. If you won't be attending, it would be nice to at least register your vote here on that subject. (My opinion only. I just think it's nice if everyone votes on membership issues. It's cool, even admirable, to abstain when you don't have an opinion. It seems like the one thing we should all have opinions on is membership, though. Again, my opinion only.)

jasnell · 2016-08-23T21:22:59Z

Doodle for Modules Meeting: http://doodle.com/poll/s4gcm28vmrdd3bqd :-)

Trott · 2016-08-23T21:27:13Z

Added Jenn Turner @renrutnnej (observer/Node.js Foundation) as an observer this week.

ofrobots · 2016-08-23T22:43:48Z

I won't be able to make it to the meeting. +1 vote on the CTC nomination for @thealphanerd.

cjihrig · 2016-08-23T22:57:58Z

I won't be able to make it tomorrow and next week.

evanlucas · 2016-08-23T23:30:57Z

Sending my regrets for tomorrow. +1 on Myles joining the CTC though.

joshgav · 2016-08-24T03:50:43Z

Notes from last week including summary of Buffer discussion: #8245

General nit: "Node-EP" stands for Node Enhancement Proposal, I assume a la JEP for Java. The "s" is to indicate plural, not part of the acronym. That is all :)

bnoordhuis · 2016-08-24T08:16:09Z

Probably won't be able to make it. +1 on @thealphanerd.

rvagg · 2016-08-24T14:19:31Z

@Trott would you mind leading this one?

mhdawson · 2016-08-24T16:11:44Z

I should be there but just in case connectivity turns out to be an issue +1 on @thealphanerd

Trott · 2016-08-24T18:33:23Z

@Trott would you mind leading this one?

Sure, anytime.

hackygolucky · 2016-08-24T18:43:58Z

I'm running a Node Live this evening and will on site for prep during the
call. The only relevant thing I can think that folks would want to know
right now that I'm working on is searching for Core mentor(s) for the
Node.js project with Outreachy nodejs/education#7

I'm sorry I can't be on the call today(unless it's very quick at the
beginning), but I'm happy to answer questions if someone wants to ping me
on irc as hackygolucky or email me.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Rich Trott [email protected]
wrote:

@Trott https://github.com/Trott would you mind leading this one?

Sure, anytime.

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chrisdickinson · 2016-08-24T19:38:05Z

I won't be available for the meeting today. +1 on @thealphanerd (:tada:!)

@Fishrock123

This has been dragged through various long discussions and has been elevated to the CTC multiple times. As noted in #7455 (comment), while this API is still generally considered an anti-pattern, there are still use-cases it is best suited for, such as checking if a git rebase is in progress by looking if ".git/rebase-apply/rebasing" exists. The general consensus is to undeprecate just the sync version, given that the async version still has the "arguments order inconsistency" problem. The consensus at the two last CTC meetings this came up at was also to undeprecate existsSync() but keep exists() deprecated. See: #8242 & #8330 (Description write-up by @Fishrock123) Fixes: #1592 Refs: #4217 Refs: #7455 PR-URL: #8364 Reviewed-By: James M Snell <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Ilkka Myller <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Matteo Collina <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Benjamin Gruenbaum <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Сковорода Никита Андреевич <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Jeremiah Senkpiel <[email protected]>

@Fishrock123

This has been dragged through various long discussions and has been elevated to the CTC multiple times. As noted in #7455 (comment), while this API is still generally considered an anti-pattern, there are still use-cases it is best suited for, such as checking if a git rebase is in progress by looking if ".git/rebase-apply/rebasing" exists. The general consensus is to undeprecate just the sync version, given that the async version still has the "arguments order inconsistency" problem. The consensus at the two last CTC meetings this came up at was also to undeprecate existsSync() but keep exists() deprecated. See: #8242 & #8330 (Description write-up by @Fishrock123) Fixes: #1592 Refs: #4217 Refs: #7455 PR-URL: #8364 Reviewed-By: James M Snell <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Ilkka Myller <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Matteo Collina <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Benjamin Gruenbaum <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Сковорода Никита Андреевич <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Jeremiah Senkpiel <[email protected]>

@Fishrock123

This has been dragged through various long discussions and has been elevated to the CTC multiple times. As noted in #7455 (comment), while this API is still generally considered an anti-pattern, there are still use-cases it is best suited for, such as checking if a git rebase is in progress by looking if ".git/rebase-apply/rebasing" exists. The general consensus is to undeprecate just the sync version, given that the async version still has the "arguments order inconsistency" problem. The consensus at the two last CTC meetings this came up at was also to undeprecate existsSync() but keep exists() deprecated. See: #8242 & #8330 (Description write-up by @Fishrock123) Fixes: #1592 Refs: #4217 Refs: #7455 PR-URL: #8364 Reviewed-By: James M Snell <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Ilkka Myller <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Matteo Collina <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Benjamin Gruenbaum <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Сковорода Никита Андреевич <[email protected]> Reviewed-By: Jeremiah Senkpiel <[email protected]>

Trott added the ctc-meeting label Aug 23, 2016

rvagg mentioned this issue Aug 24, 2016

CTC membership nomination: @TheAlphaNerd #8058

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