MSC2815: Proposal to allow room moderators to view redacted event content #2815

tulir · 2020-10-10T18:50:11Z

Rendered

Implementations:

Server: Implement MSC2815: allow room moderators to view redacted event content synapse#12427
Client (WIP): maunium/matrix-react-sdk@d7edb69 + maunium/matrix-js-sdk@3a527b0

Signed-off-by: Tulir Asokan <[email protected]>

proposals/2815-moderate-redacted-content.md

Co-authored-by: Aaron Raimist <[email protected]>

aaronraimist · 2020-10-10T19:56:00Z

This should also mention that server admins should be able to use it as well

Signed-off-by: Tulir Asokan <[email protected]>

richvdh · 2020-10-11T08:49:29Z

Maybe define some error codes the server could return, for 'I never got the unredacted content' or 'I saw the unredacted content, but have forgotten it now', or 'I don't know wht I don't have the unredacted content, but I don't'?

kegsay · 2020-10-13T16:09:06Z

proposals/2815-moderate-redacted-content.md

+messages that aren't allowed, and redact them before a moderator sees them.
+
+Most servers don't remove the content from the database immediately (e.g.
+Synapse defaults to removing after 7 days), one reason being moderation of


Dendrite immediately deletes the event content from the database for the record. This does not affect attachments though.

There would need to be a timespan defined in the spec for the amount of time servers should retain redacted messages. It doesn't make any sense for them to be kept forever, but as mentioned, having varying behaviors between homeservers would result in a lot of confusion.

Why does it have to be defined in the spec? I don't think the spec should force homeservers to retain for a specific amount of time. It is configurable in Synapse so there are already many servers out there with different values.

I guess the error message for M_NOT_FOUND could include "This server retains redacted messages for X days" or something.

besendorf · 2020-10-17T09:41:10Z

I think this has some huge privacy implications. If I redact a message I expect noone to be able to read it. In fact I didnt expect synapse to store the event for 7 days. Imagine you accidently copy post a password or a private message into a group chat then you want to be able to redact that event.
Also this would have implications on MSC2228

Signed-off-by: Tulir Asokan <[email protected]>

tulir · 2020-10-17T10:37:25Z

You can't expect such things on the internet. Redactions are always requests that other servers and clients may or may not honor. Anyone in the room could be running a modified client that logs everything permanently. If you accidentally post a password, you change it immediately.

There are some valid reasons to temporarily not honor those requests, such as moderation. This MSC simply extends the moderation features to room admins instead of it only being available to server admins with database access. It won't add any requirements for servers to keep the content. I'll add some better error codes so servers can inform the user of how long they keep content, if they keep it at all.

MSC2228 isn't really affected either, it's perfectly valid to remove self-destructed content immediately, but not remove normal redactions immediately. Self-destructing events are, like redactions, completely trust-based requests.

tulir · 2020-10-17T10:41:06Z

proposals/2815-moderate-redacted-content.md

+  of the following error codes:
+  * `M_UNREDACTED_CONTENT_DELETED`: The server has deleted the content from its
+    database. The server may optionally include a `m.content_keep_ms` key in
+    the error that specifies how long it keeps unredacted content.


Suggestions for better names for m.content_keep_ms are welcome

tanriol · 2020-11-14T16:23:41Z

proposals/2815-moderate-redacted-content.md

+by setting the parameter value to `true`.
+
+### Server behavior
+Servers MUST check that the requester has a power level higher than or equal to


Does this imply that in a typical DM room, where both users are admins, redactions are always allowed to be uncovered if that's technically possible?

That's a good point. I guess it could have a separate power level or some special casing to disallow in DM rooms. Federation isn't involved, so servers could just arbitrarily decide that if a room looks like a DM, then nobody gets to view redacted content.

tanriol · 2020-11-14T16:27:11Z

proposals/2815-moderate-redacted-content.md

+  * `M_UNREDACTED_CONTENT_NOT_RECEIVED`: The server never received the
+    un-redacted content (this can happen if federation is slow and the event
+    was redacted before it reached the server)
+


Does it work in the same way independent on whether the redaction was performed by the user themselves or a room mod/admin? Is it possible for an admin to "confirm" redaction, suggesting to their server that the unredacted data can already be deleted?

Yes. I don't think room admins need special power, but it could make sense for server admins to have it. That might be a separate MSC though.

Implements matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#2815 Signed-off-by: Tulir Asokan <[email protected]>

Signed-off-by: Tulir Asokan <[email protected]>

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([\#12368](matrix-org/synapse#12368), [\#12527](matrix-org/synapse#12527)) - Update documentation to reflect that both the `run_background_tasks_on` option and the options for moving stream writers off of the main process are no longer experimental. ([\#12451](matrix-org/synapse#12451)) - Update worker documentation and replace old `federation_reader` with `generic_worker`. ([\#12457](matrix-org/synapse#12457)) - Strongly recommend [Poetry](https://python-poetry.org/) for development. ([\#12475](matrix-org/synapse#12475)) - Add some example configurations for workers and update architectural diagram. ([\#12492](matrix-org/synapse#12492)) - Fix a broken link in `README.rst`. ([\#12495](matrix-org/synapse#12495)) - Add HAProxy delegation example with CORS headers to docs. ([\#12501](matrix-org/synapse#12501)) - Remove extraneous comma in User Admin API's device deletion section so that the example JSON is actually valid and works. Contributed by @olmari. 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Kladki · 2024-04-27T07:57:41Z

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+Servers MUST check that the requester has a power level higher than or equal to
+the `redact` power level in the room.


Is there a reason to reuse this power level instead of making a new one?

In some communities you may want to verify that moderators are doing their job properly and not being corrupt. Having a separate power level would allow people to verify this without having permissions to redact content themselves.

Or you might want the opposite where perhaps mods can delete messages, but you might not want other mods to be able to see them, and only let admins do so.

Kladki · 2024-04-27T08:05:23Z

proposals/2815-moderate-redacted-content.md

+The proposed solution is extending the `GET /rooms/{roomId}/event/{eventId}`
+endpoint with a query parameter called `include_unredacted_content`. Clients
+can request the server to include content even if the event has been redacted
+by setting the parameter value to `true`.


In cases such as with illegal content, you would probably want to not have anyone be able to view it. There should be some other endpoint or a field on the /redact endpoint to specify that this content should not be served.

It may also be desired for moderators to be able to delete content from homeservers as well with a similar convention as above.

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