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Floor cost w3: minimal targets for the five hot sg_rc_layering claims - #10541

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Five claims in v2.test.manual.sg_rc_layering cost ~81.5k eval_steps each (408,882 total). Each is pointed at a fixture carrying what it actually reads.

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required_floor_claim_cost.tsv, before = main run 33954515928, after = run 33956657199:

claim before after
sg_rc_f1_dual_boundary_holds 81,682 9,084 −88.9%
sg_rc_f2_return_value_holds 81,913 10,626 −87.0%
sg_rc_probe_heap_param_without_row_rejects 81,558 10,271 −87.4%
sg_rc_f2_param_value_holds 81,438 10,249 −87.4%
sg_rc_value_rc_wrap_tagged 82,291 11,004 −86.6%
total 408,882 51,234 −87.5%

Unchanged, as expected, since they never demanded the model: ctor_spellings_in_binding_map 110, f1_value_dual_boundary_holds 83, f6_round_trip_owned 477. Corpus reconciliation: 7 identities changed beyond ±9, summing −357,612 against a corpus delta of −357,603; added=0, dropped=0 — no claim silently deleted or activated.

Mechanism

The saving is proportional to the cost of what you stop building. sg_rc_f1_dual_boundary_holds is the discriminating row: its fixture keeps rust's production lex rules and binding spellings (they are that claim's subject) and drops only bundle edges, and it fell the furthest of the five, while the gate fixture — which drops lex and spellings entirely — lands slightly higher. So lex and spellings were never the expensive part; what was expensive was reached through the bundle. This agrees with #10527 (corrected figure 175,853 → 100,533, −42.8%).

What each claim actually reads (traced from source)

  • sg_rc_layering_gate_target — reference_layer_tokens + the live ownership catalog, VoidLexRules, empty spellings. Serves sg_rc_f2_return_value_holds, sg_rc_f2_param_value_holds, sg_rc_probe_heap_param_without_row_rejects, sg_rc_value_rc_wrap_tagged.
    • value_semantics_carriers is absent here exactly as it is absent from the production sg2 bundle (decodes to the empty carrier list; does not refuse).
    • atom_realizations is absent from both, so translate_coerced_shell_base still takes its lookup-miss-swallow arm and the probe-heap claim reaches its refusal through the ownership miss, not through a missing edge.
  • sg_rc_layering_serialize_target — rust's production rust_sg2_lex_rules() and rust_sg2_binding_spellings(), plus the type_expression_projection and translation_rules edges. lex_rules_literal spells the projection's open/close tokens and type_expr_spelling_for_atom spells the carrier, so those two values are the subject of the "Rc<Diagnostics>" / "Diagnostics" assertions and are kept unsubstituted.

Deliberately not shrunk

The ownership catalog stays rust's live rows. sg_rc_probe_heap_param_without_row_rejects asserts that rust carries no OwnershipAtFunctionParameter row for that carrier, and per docs/plans/rc-ownership-wrap-decision-design.md the wrap witnesses depend on rust's rows disagreeing by position. Synthetic rows would agree with themselves — green claim, different question.

sg_rc_target() is left in place for sg_rc_outcome_inner_sg2_args_preserved, which projects a type expression, has a different demand shape, and is a floor_cost_debt roster row. It is green.

Safety

No test fn removed (9 before, 9 after); no roster edited; no assertion changed. The module stays import-free: build_both_closure_edge_index skips bare_reference_pull_paths_for_source for any source declaring imports, so adding one would switch off bare-reference pulling for every other cross-module name in the file, surfacing as a NoSuchFunction chain one name per run.

The annotations carry no cost figures: per DESIGN §4c an annotation is never evidence for a machine claim, so they state only what each claim reads and point at required_floor_claim_cost.tsv.

A reviewer's advisory that these fixtures do not belong under extdeps/ (which is for real upstream spec) is correct and deferred, not declined — the repair is all three such files in one change, since moving only this one turns a §3 tension into a §3 fork. See #10541 (comment).

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Five claims in v2.test.manual.sg_rc_layering cost ~81.5k eval_steps each (main run
33954515928); the module's other claims cost 83, 110 and 477. The five all demand
rust_sg2_type_expr_target_model() and the cheap ones do not, and the five read DISJOINT
parts of it -- f1 runs the serializer (lex, binding_spellings) while the other four run the
wrap gate (ownership catalog) -- yet land within 850 steps of each other. A cost invariant
under what the claim reads is a cost of obtaining the model.

So each hot claim is pointed at a fixture carrying what it actually reads:
- sg_rc_layering_gate_target: reference_layer_tokens + the LIVE ownership catalog, no lex
  and no binding spellings. Serves the two f2 value-expression claims, the probe-heap
  refusal and value_rc_wrap_tagged. value_semantics_carriers is absent here exactly as it
  is absent from the production sg2 bundle, and atom_realizations is absent from both, so
  the probe-heap claim still reaches its refusal through the ownership miss and not through
  a missing edge.
- sg_rc_layering_serialize_target: rust's production lex rules and binding spellings, which
  are what sg_rc_f1_dual_boundary_holds asserts on, plus the projection and translation-rules
  edges the serialize path requires.

The ownership catalog stays rust's live one: the probe-heap claim asserts rust carries no
parameter row for that carrier, and the wrap witnesses depend on rust's rows disagreeing by
position. Synthetic rows would agree with themselves and the claims would stay green while
testing something else.

sg_rc_target() is left in place for sg_rc_outcome_inner_sg2_args_preserved, a floor_cost_debt
row with a different demand shape. No test fn removed; the module stays import-free, so the
fixtures resolve by bare reference as its other cross-module names do.

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Thanks — I checked both findings against the tree before answering. The first one is refuted by code that is already on main and executing.

Finding 1 (module/filename mismatch, blocking) — not a bug; replying rather than changing

The stated provenance is "every sibling in this directory follows module = path". Running that check finds three exceptions, not zero:

$ for f in src/v2/extdeps/languages/*.dag; do m=$(head -1 "$f" | sed 's/^module //'); b=$(basename "$f" .dag); [ "${m##*.}" = "$b" ] || echo "MISMATCH $f -> $m"; done
MISMATCH src/v2/extdeps/languages/rust_freemonoid_char_fixtures.dag -> v2.extdeps.languages.rust_freemonoid_char_test
MISMATCH src/v2/extdeps/languages/rust_sg_rc_layering_fixtures.dag -> v2.extdeps.languages.rust_sg_rc_layering_test
MISMATCH src/v2/extdeps/languages/rust_test_fixtures.dag -> v2.extdeps.languages.rust_test

rust_test_fixtures.dag is long-standing, and rust_freemonoid_char_fixtures.dag landed in #10527 (commit 70925ee89e) — the immediately preceding lane of this same wave. So *_fixtures.dag declaring …_test is the convention for this file kind, and mine follows it.

On the concrete prediction that it "will either fail module resolution or leave imports pointing at nothing" — that is decidable, and it has already been decided by execution:

  • src/v2/test/claim/emit/rust_freemonoid_char_string_grounding_test.dag:11 imports it by the declared module name, v2.extdeps.languages.rust_freemonoid_char_test, not by the filename.
  • Both of that module's claims are pass in required_floor_claim_cost.tsv on main run 33954515928 (fmc_freemonoid_char_grounds_to_native_string, fmc_projection_accepts).

The module header is the authority for resolution; the filename is not a second naming scheme it has to agree with. My file is additionally reached by bare reference, not by import at all — sg_rc_layering_test.dag has zero import lines, deliberately (build_both_closure_edge_index skips bare_reference_pull_paths_for_source for any source that declares imports, so adding one would switch off bare-reference pulling for every other cross-module name that file uses).

Renaming would make this file the odd one out among the three, so I have left it. Happy to be shown a lens or gate that enforces module = path — that would change the answer, and I did not find one.

Finding 2 (placement under extdeps/, advisory) — agreed in principle, declined as a solo move

The DESIGN §3 point is fair: extdeps/ is for the real upstream spec, and target-model fixtures are not that. But the two peers above sit in the same directory for the same reason, so moving only mine trades one §3 tension for a §3 fork — one file kind, two homes, which is the worse of the two. If the wave wants these out of extdeps/, the right move is all three together (rust_test_fixtures.dag included) in one change, and I will happily take that as its own PR rather than smuggle a directory convention change into a cost lane.

Flagging for @deep-wolf-853 as a wave-level call, since it spans lanes.

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Follow-up on finding 2, so the record is clear that it was deferred, not declined — and that it is correct.

Finding 2 is right on the substance

extdeps/ exists for the real upstream spec: cite the source, keep its real names, declare its version. A cut-down TargetModel built so a claim runs cheaply is a test artifact of ours, not a fact about Rust. Three files currently sitting in that layer (rust_test_fixtures.dag, rust_freemonoid_char_fixtures.dag, and mine) are a real, if minor, DESIGN §3 layer debt. That is the reviewer's point and it stands; I am recording it rather than arguing it away.

Why it is not being fixed in this PR

  • A partial move creates a fork. Relocating only my file gives one file kind two homes, which is strictly worse than one file kind in an arguable home. The unit of repair is all three, together.
  • The displaced cost is zero. DESIGN §6 asks what pain a change removes. A folder move removes none and changes no behaviour, while five lanes are editing these exact files during an active cost wave — so the realistic effect is merge conflicts, not cleanup.

Deferred as its own all-three PR once the wave settles. Ruling from @deep-wolf-853, who verified the finding independently.

The hazard that makes "just move it and tidy the imports" expensive

Worth recording for whoever does take that PR, because it is not visible from the diff:

build_both_closure_edge_index skips bare_reference_pull_paths_for_source for any source where source_declares_import_lines is true — the loader follows bare cross-module references only for sources with zero import lines. sg_rc_layering_test.dag is exactly such a source: it has no imports and resolves every cross-module name, including these fixtures, by bare reference.

So adding a single import to a file like this — the natural first move when relocating a fixture — switches off bare pulling for every other name in it, and the failure surfaces as a NoSuchFunction refusal chain one name per run rather than as one clear error. The all-three move needs to either keep such files import-free or convert them wholesale in one step.

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…st was

The header attributed the saving to the replaced model being cheaper to build and added that
it is not a claim about unread edges, citing gunbc#10527. The measured result on this module
does not support that gloss: sg_rc_f1_dual_boundary_holds keeps rust's production lex rules
and binding spellings and drops only bundle edges, and it fell the furthest of the five, so
whatever was expensive here was reached through the bundle rather than through those fields.

Rather than swap one unmeasurable causal story for another inside an annotation that DESIGN
section 4c says cannot carry either, the header now states only what is decidable from source
-- what each claim reads -- and points at required_floor_claim_cost.tsv for the cost.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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…ecific part

The header said dropping the unreachable edges was "hygiene, not the lever", citing
gunbc#10527's unchanged-to-the-step result. The floor measured the sibling lane #10541 at
408,882 -> 51,234 eval_steps, and its serialize claim -- which KEEPS rust's production lex
rules and binding spellings and drops only bundle edges -- fell the furthest of five. So the
expensive part there was reached through the bundle, and the "hygiene, not the lever"
sentence would generalise a claim the instrument does not support.

Both annotations now state only what is decidable from source -- which fields and edges each
claim reads, which is what the fixtures are authored from -- and leave the cost to
required_floor_claim_cost.tsv, per DESIGN section 4c.

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Independent verification: this reconciles cleanly. −357,603 eval_steps corpus-wide, no coverage moved.

I ran a full-artifact reconciliation rather than checking only the claims this PR intended to change — baseline main run 33954515928 → this PR's run 33956657199, every identity compared:

  81,682 ->  9,084   -72,598  sg_rc_f1_dual_boundary_holds
  81,913 -> 10,626   -71,287  sg_rc_f2_return_value_holds
  81,558 -> 10,271   -71,287  sg_rc_probe_heap_param_without_row_rejects
  82,291 -> 11,004   -71,287  sg_rc_value_rc_wrap_tagged
  81,438 -> 10,249   -71,189  sg_rc_f2_param_value_holds
   3,901 ->  3,919       +18  witness_ci_policy_name_status_observation_succeeds
   3,901 ->  3,919       +18  witness_ci_policy_observation_succeeds

  added identities: 0     dropped identities: 0
  sum of per-claim deltas: -357,612
  corpus total: 20,508,599 -> 20,150,996  (-357,603)

The two witness_ci_policy_* rows at +18 are unrelated to this diff and are noted for completeness rather than because they matter.

Why this check and not just the five numbers: a PR earlier today reported a verified 91.6% on its six intended claims while the corpus rose 547,358 steps, because an incidental edit activated a dormant 2,072ms claim. Three approvals passed it. Summing per-claim deltas against the corpus total, and listing added and dropped identities, is what caught it. This PR passes that check — zero identities added or dropped means no claim was silently deleted or activated.

On the mechanism, because it corrects something I put in the wave brief and it is load-bearing for reviewers reading other PRs in this series:

I had told every lane that evaluation is lazy and that dropping unreachable bundle edges saves exactly zero, citing #10527 as measuring 175,853 → 175,853. That measurement was wrong — I had compared two CI runs that did not isolate the commit. Re-derived against its merge commit's actual parent, #10527 measured 175,853 → 100,533, −42.8%.

So this PR's result and #10527's agree, and the author's reformulation is the correct one: the saving is proportional to the cost of what you stop building — whether that is a demanded value replaced by a cheaper one, or an undemanded edge whose target is an expensive catalog. Cheap edges save little. "Unreachable therefore free" was never a law.

The author also disconfirmed their own eager-struct-fields hypothesis with the one claim built to discriminate it (f1 keeps production lex rules and binding spellings as case (b) subjects, and still fell the furthest of the five), and declined to spend a build dispatch on a controlled test after establishing it was unnecessary. Both worth noting.

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Measured — required-witnesses-floor green, 408,882 → 51,234 eval_steps (−87.5%)

Before: main run 33954515928. After: run 33956657199. All five rewired claims pass, and the untouched floor_cost_debt claim sg_rc_outcome_inner_sg2_args_preserved is green.

claim before after
sg_rc_f1_dual_boundary_holds 81,682 9,084 −88.9%
sg_rc_f2_return_value_holds 81,913 10,626 −87.0%
sg_rc_probe_heap_param_without_row_rejects 81,558 10,271 −87.4%
sg_rc_f2_param_value_holds 81,438 10,249 −87.4%
sg_rc_value_rc_wrap_tagged 82,291 11,004 −86.6%
total 408,882 51,234 −87.5%

Unchanged as expected, since they never demanded the model: ctor_spellings_in_binding_map 110, f1_value_dual_boundary_holds 83, f6_round_trip_owned 477.

What the result says about the mechanism

sg_rc_f1_dual_boundary_holds is the discriminating row. Its fixture keeps rust's production lex rules and binding spellings — they are that claim's subject — and drops only bundle edges. It fell the furthest of the five (−88.9%), while the gate fixture, which drops lex and spellings entirely, lands slightly higher at 10.2–11.0k. So lex and binding spellings were never the expensive part; what was expensive was reached through the bundle.

This agrees with #10527, whose corrected figure is 175,853 → 100,533 (−42.8%) — its earlier "unchanged to the step" reading has been retracted as a comparison that did not isolate the commit. One mechanism, two lanes: the saving is proportional to the cost of what you stop building, whether that is a demanded value replaced by a cheaper one or an undemanded edge whose target is an expensive catalog.

The annotation in rust_sg_rc_layering_fixtures.dag deliberately does not say any of this — per DESIGN §4c an annotation cannot carry a cost measurement, so it states only what each claim reads, which is decidable from source, and points at the artifact.

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* floor-cost-w2: point wrap_decision_predicate claims at a minimal target fixture

The fifteen claims in v2.test.claim.wrap_decision_predicate demanded
rust_sg2_type_expr_target_model(), whose bundle constructs nine named edge
targets. wrap_decision_gate reads exactly two of them by name
(use_site_ownership_realizations, reference_layer_tokens) plus an absent
value_semantics_carriers; the emit-boundary claim adds type_expression_projection
through translate_apply_wrap_gate_to_type_shell's WrapByReference arm. The other
six -- serialize_source, translation_rules, selection_policy,
declared_inhabitants, collection_realization, signature_realizations -- are
unreachable from every claim in the module.

The ownership catalog stays rust's LIVE one rather than a copy of the rows the
claims read: the R1 flow controls are stated, in the module and in
docs/plans/rc-ownership-wrap-decision-design.md, as drawing both error directions
from the live catalog, so synthetic rows would answer a different question while
still passing.

No claim identity changed; no assertion weakened.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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* floor-cost-w2: correct the fixture annotation's cost mechanism

The header asserted that the dropped edges' targets "are evaluated when the bundle is
constructed rather than when they are read" -- an eager-evaluation claim I never measured,
and gunbc#10527 measured the opposite (unreachable edges deleted, cost unchanged to the
step). Under DESIGN section 4c an annotation cannot carry a machine claim at all, so the
sentence was both unfalsifiable in place and, read as a lever, an invitation to repeat a
disproven experiment.

Restated to name the mechanism the change actually uses: the claims no longer demand
rust_sg2_type_expr_target_model(), and what replaces it is cheaper to build. Dropping the
unreachable edges is hygiene, not the saving.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_01QJht4EREZUvZHeKcQiWyjq

* floor-cost-w2: stop the fixture header attributing the saving to a specific part

The header said dropping the unreachable edges was "hygiene, not the lever", citing
gunbc#10527's unchanged-to-the-step result. The floor measured the sibling lane #10541 at
408,882 -> 51,234 eval_steps, and its serialize claim -- which KEEPS rust's production lex
rules and binding spellings and drops only bundle edges -- fell the furthest of five. So the
expensive part there was reached through the bundle, and the "hygiene, not the lever"
sentence would generalise a claim the instrument does not support.

Both annotations now state only what is decidable from source -- which fields and edges each
claim reads, which is what the fixtures are authored from -- and leave the cost to
required_floor_claim_cost.tsv, per DESIGN section 4c.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_01QJht4EREZUvZHeKcQiWyjq

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Co-authored-by: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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The filename-vs-module observation has now been raised on three PRs in this series. The full ruling with evidence is recorded on #10539 (comment 5552918396); the short form:

*_fixtures.dag declaring *_test is the established pattern for this file kind — two files in that directory already do it on main, no lens enforces module == path, and resolution is decided by the module header, as rust_freemonoid_char_fixtures.dag demonstrates by executing green under its declared name. DESIGN.md §3: "a fact's home is its LAYER, not its file."

The reviewer's adjacent point is correct and is the one being deferred: extdeps/ is for real upstream spec, and these fixtures are our test artifacts. That is a genuine §3 debt, deferred as a single all-three move rather than declined, because relocating one file converts a tension into a fork.

Independently useful in this review: it confirms the two case-(b) judgements this PR turns on, reached without reference to my notes — that sg_rc_layering_serialize_target must keep production lex and binding_spellings because the f1 assertions are literally about those values, and that the probe-heap claim must keep the live ownership catalog so the disagree-by-position witness stays meaningful. Those were the two places this change could have silently laundered coverage, and both were deliberately preserved by the author. That is the substance; the filename is not.

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