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[Proposal] add supersede modifier to enable more tool generated code scenarios. #5292
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Great proposal! Are there any other options for changing the way the original member is invoked? I like the new "superseded" concept and I think it should feel similar to the way that "mybase" operates. Perhaps it should be called like extended.Member() ? This would also allow other members to potentially differentiate if they want the new declaration or, perhaps, want the original.
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@mattwar, besides allowing multiple supreseeded implementations of the method, what else can you do with this that you can't with the current implementation? |
This is interesting in the context of enabling AOP without post-compilation rewriting (a la PostSharp). However, I don't actually see any part of the proposal that specifies how you would define an aspect or apply it to code. You definitely would not, for example, want to be manually invoking some tool in Visual Studio every time you want a class to implement Besides being a poor workflow, it would leave your source with no indication what magical properties are being added to it elsewhere. I think you absolutely need to have either new keyword(s) to express these behaviors, or use Attributes. Lastly, the proposal for how you order superceeded items seems like a total non-starter to me. Having the build order determine semantic meaning of code is dangerous and completely non-obvious to anyone reading the code. The ordering would need to be part of the aforementioned aspect keyword/attributes. This is what PostSharp does. |
Not what I envisioned for AOP at all. I expected something more like an analyzer/code-fix where the processor would be handed the syntax tree, transform it and then return it to the compiler during the compilation process (although being able to run it separately and view the generated source representing the syntax tree would be very useful for debugging scenarios.) Would a processor in this case be expected to parse source or trees or either? I am also curious as to when whatever generates this source would be used. Having worked with T4 it's not the most pleasant experience in the world (particularly paired with an SCM plugin, and I'm looking at you Entity Framework). Even if source were to be spit out of such a processor I'd want it easily integrated into the compilation process. I do think that there are scenarios where order of "supercession" would be important. A processor adding validation logic may want to bail ahead of a processor adding transaction logic or similar. |
@TonyValenti I considered having superseded refer to the instance (like base does), but it turns out the scenario is quite different. With base, the whole class is overridden, so its possible to use it to reference any member in the base class. Yet with supersede, each member is superseded individually. The class itself is never superseded. All parts of the partials are the same class. So it only made sense to have it reference the other member directly. |
@paulomorgado what are you referring to as the current implementation? Do you mean the partial methods I used as an example, or just any/all existing language features? |
@MgSam, @HaloFour This proposal is separate from any discussion of actual implementation of code generating tools or how they would interact with the compiler. This feature is meant strictly as a way to enable such generators should they exist with a means to add behavior to code already written without resorting to IL rewrites, etc. |
@HaloFour it would be important for the code generators to be able to order their generated declarations. |
@mattwar That makes sense, but I don't think its possible to get a complete picture on the merits of this proposal without a complimentary proposal for how you would create and manage aspects. Very similar to how primary constructors/records/tuples/pattern matching need to all be considered together and how they'll interact rather than trying to only build each piece in isolation. |
@MgSam I agree, it would be better to consider it with a full code generation proposal. Maybe I should write one. |
I'm not opposed to the keyword pairs Perhaps As to ordering, assuming the generation tools could provide a sequence to filenames lexical order seems good enough. The built in AOP tools could process a file like this:
Community tools for other processes (some custom t4 processor?) could create things like MyClass.timings.cs and since "t" comes after "g" it would come after it in order in terms of processing the partial class declaration. The built in tool may derive order from some predefined mechanisms but it will presumably generate these aspect classes in a particular order and can then decide to name them so that they sort in a defined manner. Should there also be some strict compilation rules around matching signatures? Should this compile:
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Perhaps The file name issue would fall under the lexical ordering as stated above. To my knowledge the C# compiler doesn't currently care what order those files are provided, and the file name itself is irrelevant. Going by the order in which the files are passed to the compiler could at least be deterministic. Basing the order by file name, particularly using a natural sort, could cause issues in different locales/languages. I would imagine that the same rules would apply to supercession as applies to partial methods in that the signature must match exactly. |
Can we rather use typesafe macro expansions? The proposed syntax looks rather...unwieldy. |
current == C#6 Other than allowing havoc with multiple generators running over each other on a not yet defined or possibly never deterministic way, what can you do given this proposal is implemented that you can't now (C#6)? |
@paulomorgado It is not what you can do with it that you could not do before, it is what tool generated code can do for you that it could not do before without post build rewriting. For example, a tool can generate all the boilderplate code you need to implement INotifyPropertyChanged for classes you declare using normal C# syntax. You and the tool get to collaborate on the content of classes and members. The existing partial classes feature only gets you part way there. |
With regards to order of superseding when multiple replacements are used. One potential method to help alleviate this could be an attribute that hints to the compiler desired order, so something like:
Then, any methods that share the same ReplaceOrder value - however it's implemented - are evaluated and compiled in the usual lexical order. This would act purely as a hinting system so the methods that critically must wrap around all content can request that they are the last (Or nearly the last) method to be considered with replacement, while methods that perform any critical last second processing can request that they are considered for replacement first or at least as early as possible. Methods without the attribute would simply be considered 'Normal' and compile between Early and Late. Being an attribute would negate the need to add more key words and if a compiler - for some reason - implemented superseding but not the attribute, the code could still compile fine anyway assuming the user adds a blank placeholder attribute. My use of an enum is just for example, although I feel it might be better than a numeric ordering system as multiple tools could start fighting for the highest or lowest number so they can ensure their own order (Something zindex in CSS often shows). Using an enum, they can't try to force a specific order with extremely large numbers, but they can try to get an order that suits them best. |
@danm36 You need a lot more fine grained control than just an enum that specifies early, late, etc. If you have 3 generators, you need to be able to easily order them, and insert a fourth into the order at a later time if necessary. I can't think of any better mechanism for this than real numbers. |
I've been thinking that The order should be something that is specified by On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, danm36 [email protected] wrote:
Tony Valenti |
Given that project files often get messed up on code merges etc, it seem high risk to depend on them for something important. |
@MgSam Then perhaps support both, with Early == -5, Normal = 0 and Late == 5 (Or some other values with enough space between for integer replacements that are earlier than 'Late' or later than 'Early'), so that tools can choose to be loosely ordered via an enum or strictly ordered via an integer. Once ordered via this attribute, methods that share the same order value are ordered per their file name and location within the file (Or some other ordering algorithm). |
Once ordered via this attribute, methods that share the same order value should give an error. Anything else will make debugging too hard, as rename a file should not change the meaning of code. |
Instead of an error, perhaps just a warning (And only if they were ordered by an integer)? The initial use case for this was primarily for tool generated code, and - depending on the tool - it could be impossible to fix as the code and/or attribute could be regenerated by the tool on the next compile. Locking out a user from compiling their code because two of their code generators use the same order value seems like a bad move. With a warning, user written code can be flagged if there is an order conflict, but tool generated code an disable the warning for their section as the tool is aware that there could be conflicts with other tool generated code. Code without the order attribute, or using one of the 'loose' order enums would be exempt from the warning as they have indicated no need for strict replacement ordering. |
I agree, it probably shouldn't matter if multiple |
The intent is to have the generators run in the order they are specified to the compiler, against declarations in lexical order (with documents also ordered as they are specified to the compiler.) The trouble is going to be communicating that order through the tools like VS solution explorer which orders documents by name, and the mechanism that adds documents to project files which may be arbitrary. Of course, by editing the project file by hand you can easily manipulate document and generator order. |
I think that, perhaps, it would be better if it was exposed as a tab in the On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, Matt Warren [email protected] wrote:
Tony Valenti |
@mattwar I don't think that is a good solution. You shouldn't have two identical sets of code files that behave differently depending on the order of compilation. There's nothing that behaves like that currently in the language (as far as I'm aware). Also, as someone writing code I shouldn't have to look beyond the file I'm editing to wonder what the behavior of the code will be. Except in a few corner cases (overflow checking) that's true today. Is there a reason you guys don't want to explicitly specify the order using a number? It's worked well for PostSharp, it seems odd that you'd deviate significantly from an established, successful product that already adds this sort of capability to C#. |
@MgSam There are two different issue here. One is determinism, since order of application affects the output how does the compiler choose the order that the generators are run and the order of the declarations they are run against. The second is user ability to adjust that order. Having generators declare their order in some way is a means to let the user (or author in this case) adjust the order. But there has to be an order in the first place for there to be determinism. |
This is similar to import precedence in XSLT, except in XSLT source files are explicitly linked together via The idea of using an attribute to define the order is not bad, but it should be at the partial class level, otherwise organization can get confusing and difficult to follow if different partials use different priorities for different members Please don't use |
Hi all, Something like this :
The "Supersede" attribut signals to the compiler that this method will replace the original "Method1". Inside the method decorated with this attribut, the name "Method1" refers to the user written code, and outside, to the method generated by the tool. We can have an order on the attribut to help the compiler sort out the order of superseding. This can be implement either in the compiler or in an post compilation process. |
@EricGarnier Well, the question is whether our goal is to avoid inclusion of new keywords. |
Decomposing the original to return new types or rearrange parameters would feel better through a limited macro system. For tooling, just getting extra code slices is enough. Here are keyword names I like. There probably should generator entries in the .xxproj file read (FIFO) and if not then msbuild should get an explicit listing of files for compilation. Attributes and source magic number ordering is too constraining.
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This proposal is now being tracked at dotnet/csharplang#107 |
Some C# language features exist primarily for tooling scenarios. Designers, build time tools and other code generators produce source code that compiles together with and augments user written code. Partial classes and partial method are two of these.
With partial classes, a tool can generate source files that make additional declarations for a class, adding members, interfaces and attributes on top of what the user wrote.
Partial methods allow tools to declare signatures for methods that don’t actually exist, but that can be supplied elsewhere by the user. In this way the tool is free to generate code invoking this partial method without requiring the method to have been fully supplied. They are limited to private void returning methods so that they can vanish during compilation if the user has not supplied a full declaration with a body for the partial method.
In this way, partial methods are a clever trick enabling tool generated code to interact with user written code in more than just the simple additive way that partial classes provide. However, it is a very narrow trick. It allows the user to enhance the behavior of the tool generated code at well-defined spots by providing method implementations, but it does not allow the tool generated code to enhance the behavior of the user written code.
For example, imagine I wanted a tool to generate code that adds entry and exit logging to my user written code (without actually changing my source files or post processing the binary.) I could pervert the use of partial methods to approximate this, by inverting how they are normally used. I could pre-establish an agreement between my code and the tool (probably established by the tool), and liberally sprinkle invocations to logging methods throughout my code base, and then let the tool generate the bodies.
Then I could choose to run the tool or not, so that the calls to log_entry and log_exit either had an implementation at runtime or not.
But I would have to manually place calls to these methods everywhere throughout my code. And I’d have to do this over and over again for each additional tool that needed to interact with my code. A very tedious prospect, and one better suited for tools generating code than my tired fingers.
A better solution would be one that allowed the generated code to enhance the user written code directly, by replacing it or overriding it, and placing all the burden of declaration into the tool generated code.
Proposal: Superseding members
The supersedes feature enables just this. It allows class members to override members defined in the same class, by superseding their declaration with a new declaration using the supersede declaration modifier.
In this scenario the tool generated Method1 supersedes the user written Method1. All invocations are directed to the tool generated method. The tool generated implementation can then invoke the user written method using the superseded keyword that points at the member that was superseded by this declaration.
Using this technique, I could have a tool generate my boilerplate INotifyPropertyChanged implementations.
Multiple Generators
Of course, since the primary scenario for this feature is tool generated code and there is likely going to be times where there is more than one tool wanting to supersede a user written member, some mechanism should exist that allows one bit of tool generated code to supersede another bit of tool generated code without requiring them to know about each other.
Proposal: superseding superseded members
We can allow more than one superseded member declaration to exist at the same time. One of the superseding members directly supersedes the original member. Another superseding member then supersedes the prior superseding member, and so on. Thus a chain of superseding members exists similar to how multiple overrides might exist on the same member in an inheritance hierarchy. In fact, it is somewhat helpful to think of superseding as directly comparable to overriding. If you imagine a series of overrides of a member in a vertical inheritance hierarchy, you could image superseding as kind of a horizontal overriding (between partial class declarations).
Order of supersession
The only problem we have is determine which superseding member is the first, the next and so on. The order is going to matter, because it determines which gets called first and that can affect behavior of the entire composition.
Unlike member overrides that occur in derived classes that specifically call out the names of the classes they are deriving from, the supersede syntax doesn’t directly identify the precise member that is being superseded. And that’s a good thing, because if it did, then code generating tools would absolutely need to know about each other, so they could reference each other’s declarations.
Instead, we need a different technique (other than naming) to identify ordering between the superseded members.
Proposal: lexical order
We can use lexical order to determine the order in which members are superseded. (For multiple source files, consider the files concatenated in the order supplied to the compiler.)
In this way, no additional syntax needs to be invented to support having multiple superseding members for a single base member. The natural order of their declaration determine the order for superseding.
(This does not consider how the generated source files are given their order.)
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