The MAUI team needs to provide a page for convincing why to choose MAUI over Flutter

[Happypig375]

If the team really cares about MAUI, then this needs to be done.

[zprima]

🤔 does it? I dont think so.

Instead of convicing, it should be something like "Coming from another platform?" and then a page for "from android to maui", "from ios to maui", "from flutter to maui".

[Atreides07]

Perhaps this is needed not for users but for MAUI team. How can we understand why we should choose MAUI instead of Flutter, if even the MAUI team themselves do not know the benefits of MAUI over Flutter? "Because .net" is not enough today

[Atreides07]

To clarify: I'm a fan of Xamarin.Forms and have been working with Xamarin since Monodroid, Monotouch. But Flutter is pretty good. Very fast development speed and lower TimeToMarket than Xamarin. For me, Dart is a big drawback. It would be cool to have a Flutter analog with .net. Native UI is cool, but I don't really understand yet how MAUI can compare in development speed with Flutter, if again you have to spend a lot of time on custom controls on each platform.

[zprima]

Well, MAUI is not even in preview, nothing is finalized, even the final form of the syntax is up in the air. And they should convince us that is better then Flutter, based on what? There are no production apps, no sample apps, nothing. That will come much later in 2021 hopefully.

I'm trying to understand, why would the job of MAUI team be to convince you to use MAUI instead of Flutter, and not any other platform? Nobody from any framework does that directly. That would then imply its better then X but not better then Y. A community member can make "MAUI vs Flutter" comparison in a Youtube video, or a blog post "20 reasons why MAUI is better then X". That I understand.

If by convincing you guys mean, that they should show how you can build X apps quickly and fast with MAUI, then yes, I agree. Everybody does that. When they showcase some sample apps, the arhitecture and the flow of how things are done, then the code and samples would do the convincing.

[Happypig375]

A community member can make "MAUI vs Flutter" comparison in a Youtube video, or a blog post "20 reasons why MAUI is better then X". That I understand.

Currently, it's just really hard to do so. Maybe you can enumerate a few points.

[zprima]

Currently its near imposible to do so. Have to wait until Preview 1 is released. Then some feature preview posts should start appearing with each preview release of MAUI, maybe some "counter" tutorial apps or some basic ones. But until RC1 is out I don't expect many such video/blog posts, because everything is subject to change.

[bondarenkod]

There is no competition between MAUI & Flutter unless MAUI show us the same or the near the same performance.
The performance is the main disadvantage of the XF.

[davidbuckleyni]

Why Flutter is just a good Ui designer tool its not great at full functional apps @bondarenkod if your just on here to down tod MAUI and not a developer in the .net echo system why should they

[mrwcjoughin]

Flutters performance better than Xamarin.Forms? Are you kidding? Xamarin, whether it’s forms or direct targeting used native controls in the end - so you get a native app for the given platform. For that reason alone flutter cannot be faster

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[Atreides07]

Have you tried to develop anything with Flutter? Xamarin.Forms is very slow. Many developers and project use Xamarin.Native only because Forms is very slow. But sometimes the Xamarin.Native performance is lacking. Interop with native controls is very expensive. Flutter doesn't need interop. It draws its controls directly. .MAUI will change the rendering engine due to the fact that Xamarin.Forms in its current form simply cannot be done faster

[saint4eva]

What did you mean by interop?

[SagarPanwala]

I would like to add that Flutter performance is far better than Xamarin Native.
Just try Hello world app in both platform and see start up time.
If you want more idea, try their Listtiles compare to Xamarin Listview for android and TableView for iOS without images, but try multiple item templates.
You will get clear idea.
Please don't directly deny anything if you haven't tried based on things that they are drawing so it can't be fast.

I'm using Xamarin since 2012, but I found flutter quite impressive with Design, Styling, Performance, but it lacks c# and xaml, if anychance it will get c# many developer will try it out for sure.

[mrwcjoughin]

Since when does Xamarin interop? Xamarin cross complies .net byte core to objective-c for iOS and macOS and to Java for android - there is no interop needed ???

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[Atreides07]

https://docs.microsoft.com/ru-ru/xamarin/android/deploy-test/release-prep/?tabs=macos#bundle-assemblies-into-native-code
The AOT Compilation option requires an Enterprise license or higher.

AOT is a paid feature in Xamarin.
Paid Xamarin is another disadvantage of Xamarin in choosing MAUI vs Flutter. (We used Rider instead of Visual Studio for Mac) Also, if you have an Enterprise license, you can compare the output apk size for Xamarin and Kotlin

[WashingtonARamos]

AOT & LLVM being an Enterprise feature is such a let down. They should at least let the Professional tier have it, Enterprise license is so much more expensive for quite literally this one feature if you're a small mobile dev using Xamarin.

[mrwcjoughin]

judging performance purely on startup time is absurd

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On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:15 AM sagar_panwala22 ***@***.***> wrote: I would like to add that Flutter performance is far better than Xamarin Native. Just try Hello world app in both platform and see start up time. If you want more idea, try their Listtiles compare to Xamarin Listview for android and TableView for iOS without images, but try multiple item templates. You will get clear idea. Please don't directly deny anything if you haven't tried based on things that they are drawing so it can't be fast. I'm using Xamarin since 2012, but I found flutter quite impressive with Design, Styling, Performance, but it lacks c# and xaml, if anychance it will get c# many developer will try it out for sure. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#238 (reply in thread)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACOGERTGYBZB73HWTG3J54LSTASZPANCNFSM4ROGHMUA> .

[SagarPanwala]

Sorry to say, but I think you didn't read my whole message, I've already mentioned clearly that if you use ListView control then also you will find that Performance is far better.
I do like Xamarin Forms, but I want to get things better if they are stopping major release for 1 year.
But truth should be accepted, we can't just deny that they are drawing control , so performance must be poor, before we judge, we should try it.

[mrwcjoughin]

Xamarin.Forms does not draw controls? it explicitly uses the native controls, except in rare cases on platforms like Linux where controls are missing? the listview is a mixed bag, specifically on Android, but with fast renderers it's much better

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 8:50 AM sagar_panwala22 ***@***.***> wrote: Sorry to say, but I think you didn't read my whole message, I've already mentioned clearly that if you use ListView control then also you will find that Performance is far better. I do like Xamarin Forms, but I want to get things better if they are stopping major release for 1 year. But truth should be accepted, we can't just deny that they are drawing control , so performance must be poor, before we judge, we should try it. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#238 (reply in thread)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACOGERUCOAEHGYRV3J4A55TSTR3MFANCNFSM4ROGHMUA> .

[edsulaiman]

In my experience using Xamarin Forms, MAUI has had to make major changes in order to compete with other frameworks.

I have some problems that I have while using Xamarin Forms:

1. ListView performance is quite poor.
2. Everything is made to look native, sometimes our clients want apps which have the same UI on different platforms.
3. Difficulty customizing the UI.
4. Hot reload feature which is quite useless because it only responds to xaml changes.
5. Expensive

I've tried using React Native and Flutter, in terms of UI customization, they are far superior to Xamarin Forms.

[mrwcjoughin]

I agree on the learning curve with Xamarin.Forms is higher than the other frameworks you mention. However, the ability to share code with the backend is what makes me choose XF/MAUI In terms of expensive - what exactly are you referring to? Visual Studio 2019 for both Windows and Mac is free in the community edition? I have used that for many years and don't miss any functionality?

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On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 9:58 AM Ed Sulaiman ***@***.***> wrote: In my experience using Xamarin Forms, MAUI has had to make major changes in order to compete with other frameworks. I have some problems that I have while using Xamarin Forms: 1. ListView performance is quite poor. 2. Everything is made to look native, sometimes our clients want apps which have the same UI on different platforms. 3. Difficulty customizing the UI. 4. Hot reload feature which is quite useless because it only responds to xaml changes. 5. Expensive I've tried using React Native and Flutter, in terms of UI customization, they are far superior to Xamarin Forms. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#238 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACOGERQKCXMOS47RMFQAVWDSW3SL7ANCNFSM4ROGHMUA> .