Testing feedback: general comments #1550
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"I understand this is beta but it seems very limited if I can't even end a list and start another paragraph. It looks cool though and I think it'll be great when it gets more usable for real writing" |
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"A front-end version of Gutenberg would be awesome. Thanks!" |
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"The overall appearance is nice, but it feels like you're being spoon fed when trying to create content. This is mainly to do with the fact that once you press enter, a new content block that says "write..." always shows up. The UI seems to try and do too much and clutter the options altogether." |
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"I want to be a fan, but this has WAY TOO MANY ROUGH EDGES. Notable issues:
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"I found I had to use the Trash icon to delete several blocks I added unintentionally. I found the Write placeholder initially helpful before I added my first block. After I'd added a block I found it unhelpful & actually confusing. I wasn't sure where clicking the + icon would add the new block." |
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"I really like the new editor. I look forward to using it. I hope that there a lots of hooks available, in order to customise it, if customer request extra features." |
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"For the most part I like the look and feel of the new editor, but I find it extremely awkward to write in. I have to leave the keyboard for the mouse a LOT to write more than few sentences." |
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"Really not much. I dislike very much. I didn't feel it was intuitive to use. Breaking content into blocks such as this doesn't flow for me when writing a post. I also think that if people want to use blocks, there are plenty of page builders that approach content in this manner." |
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"Looks very good, feels modern. The option for full width images looks very nice!" |
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"The decluttering of the interface and the block system. They improved a lot the experience. Great work so far!" |
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"I don't see it as an approach to writing that yields itself to business use of WordPress. Particularly the current bug in copy pasting. Many clients hand me copy to paste into their pages. This issue must be fixed before this is ready for prime time. What steps will you take to prevent sites from "breaking" when this is introduced. It seems like a huge undertaking for all programs and plugins to come into compliance that are currently built on Tiny MCE editor." |
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"I somehow expected more WYSIWYG features, e.g. font selection, font size etc." |
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"I found that adding text to the button block wasn't very intuitive. Sure, after a while I realize that you can just start typing to add text, but it's not obvious, because the placeholder text ("Paste URL or type") seems related only to the link itself – not the button text. I was expecting some visual feedback when I clicked on the button to add the text, when I finished inserting the URL." |
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"I think this has potential but you need to get it into the hands of people who write long form content. Writing in Gutenberg needs to be like a bobsled run, whereas right now it is running a steeplechase, you never know what the next obstacle will be that may cause you to trip and fall on your face. TinyMCE has it's own hurdles as well, like the damned line break and p tag mysteries, but at least I could just write smoothly and come back to clean up the formatting later (or at least try). With Gutenberg I can't even get smoothly to the next paragraph." |
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"Whatever happened to keeping WordPress basically "vanilla" and letting plugins do the customizing? As, mentioned before if I wanted to produce content like this I would use a page builder. Hope that you make this a choice rather than the final option for adding content." |
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"The current editor is very pluggable, and can be replaced by e.g. page builder plugins. Hope this will remain with Gutenberg! Since: Gutenberg seems to be focused very much on content writing. This makes sense and is perfectly OK. But it does not replace e.g. page builders, which serve somehow different purposes (building complete website layouts w/o coding)." |
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"Please, please, keep the automatic render of the embed, just like is done in the current TinyMCE editor... In the new editor, you need five actions to add a new video: click "Insert" + scroll to find the embed + click the embed + click the URL filed + paste the link + click "Embed". In the current editor, you need just two actions: click the editor window and paste the link. Imagine the economy of clicks when inserting lots of embeds in a page, guys. Also, IMHO there's no need to put all the possible options of embeds upfront in a section called "Embed", inside the "Insert" menu. Just a tiny fraction will be used anyway by pretty much everyone. Maybe just adding a "Embed" option to show all the options after that, or even automatically adding the option in the "Embed" section only after was used a couple of times, I don't know. Well, at any rate, thanks a lot for making WordPress cool again! :)" |
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Great feedback! A few thoughts:
Lots of discussion has been had on this point. I think the resolution for the moment is to start by showing all and we can always backtrack later if need be. |
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"I found the editer in its standard form generally fine to use. |
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"Please leave the gutenberg editor as an option disabled by default. |
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"This editor is very useful and flexible within it's block style but I have faced problem for aligning the blocks makes clicking into content areas is bit difficult for me." |
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"No preview, Can’t save a draft and preview, Can’t edit the code of the page/post |
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"I'm concerned as a plugin developer how meta boxes for data that requires more space than a simple sidebar, i.e. meta boxes that used to go below the editor." |
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"Very intuitive to use. I expected the contextual menus to be extremely annoying, but they are "gentle" and not too intrusive" |
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"Looking at the rendered HTML, I'm surprised to see all paragraphs currently wrapped in double-quotes." |
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"Too much clicks. Not practical. Confusing. Decreases customization. Buggy." |
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I'm not sure where you want blog-post reviews posted but ... - https://halfelf.org/2017/post-written-gutenberg/ The part that's in markdown obviously didn't get converted, though it did in the post previews. So that's interesting. |
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"For this specific test it was easy to use. The test did not address things like columns though. From the tinkering I've done a lot of work is still needed there. The image block and embeds seem to have some sizing and alignment options but they are very glitchy for me and do not offer enough control. What if I want two image blocks each taking 1/4 of the screen and an additional text block taking the remaining 1/2. There are plenty of solutions for achieving this kind of thing already with plugins like ACF. Obviously you all know this but without that kind of control this will never work for me. I'm also concerned about what happens to the current custom solutions I and may others have built to handle these sort of scenarios. If this new experience is forced and kills those features I will potentially have several hundred broken sites on my hands. It will probably be the end of WordPress me. I love WordPress. I don't want that to happen. " |
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""The UX and UI still need a lot of work. Most of my clients would need a lot of hand-holding to find the things they use frequently. Even the Plus sign in the sticky ribbon isn't obvious to find all the options because the person creating the post will be so focused on the plus sign on the page itself. Having the ability to add blocks directly inside the visual editor immediately retrains the brain to longer pay attention to the ribbon. The biggest improvement would be to have all the options for blocks appear on Hover instead of requiring a click."" |
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" be cool if it would auto-format to the correct citation hyphen. After I paste in my post, I wanted to add an image to the middle of the text but couldn't figure out how: http://cld.wthms.co/cBivpm I expected to see an option there to make it an image. It wasn't until I scrolled all the way down that I saw how you add an image. Any reason we wouldn't want to add an image option to the content block? It may be that we don't want to keep adding to that menu, but then that makes me wonder how we will add other content types. I wanted to be able to make a box style and add a button but couldn't. I didn't know what preformatted meant. Once I selected it and it changed the text style I thought maybe that meant I could treat that content block like the text editor in wp-admin now, so I tried my [box] style that way. Once I published I realized what that meant, but styling was messed up. I also don't know what verse would mean and it messed up styling in the editor: http://cld.wthms.co/0NyJlF It wasn't immediately apparent to me how to save as a draft since I was looking by publish. Seemed odd to me to have Saved on the other side of the page: http://cld.wthms.co/rqvTIC" |
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"Well when hitting the buttons there was no feadback they were ever pressed. There was also a lot of html type code all through the editer content field, I don't know what that was but I want it gone. |
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"I'm sure you know that it doesn't place images well. I also just noticed that it doesn't give a list of most used tags. I write for a lot of blogs and I appreciate that list so I don't have multiple similar tags because I forgot how I phrased it last time." |
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"I didn't have any problems exactly, but I did think that it was strange that, depending on which option I had for a text block, the options it gave me when I clicked for more would change. For example when I added a Header, then clicked the H, my options are Paragraph or Quote. If I click Quote, my options are List, Paragraph, and Header." |
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"Was quite confusing to get started with given some expectations I had from other editors In terms of actually testing it out one confusing thing though maybe only something for technical users was that I tried to install a release from github and forgot that the releases there are only zips of the source code and require another build step to use. The failure mode for this was that the plugin installed fine but gave a blank page with no error message and only showed it was 404ing on the assets being missing when I opened the chrome dev tools. The call out on the repository to install not from the releases list but from the wordpress plugin repository was invisible to me." |
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"I initially expected block drag-and-drop - although once I became comfortable with the arrow system that was immediately fine. |
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"Please take notice of the following:
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"Changing the alignment of images has no effect on the post. In edit it shows right or left aligned; however, it is posted center. Images posted with regular editor shows right aligned image. Image may need to be resized for alignment to appear, but there is no indication of that from the Gutenberg editor. Also when posting one image after another in Gutenberg, the editor shows them as overlapping or places the caption for the bottom one next to the upper one. The same thing happened when trying to right align and image and add a left side pull quote. The quote ended up being below the picture." |
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"I didn't know how to float an image next to a paragraph. I had to ask. " |
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"- it'd be nice to have custom column layouts such as 1/3 + 2/3, ...
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"Inconsistency and not being clear in quote section made me a bit hesitant to use this editor as my main post editor" |
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"I like that it is clean design but I believe the move to icons is a bit confusing for regular users and some of the icons are not very descriptive and easy to find" |
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"The Block settings that appear on the right are hard to spot, especially on a large monitor. Maybe focusing on that area after the gear icon is clicked would be worth exploring? Also, finding Save button (link?) took me a while, I expected it to be somewhere near the Publish button. |
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"When ranging the image left, for instance, the next block goes right as expected but I if it doesn't reach vertically past the image, I would need a 'clear' before the subsequent block " |
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"After publishing I wanted to see the post. The preview button is on the right but the view post button is on the left and it's a small link. It would make sense to me if they are in the same area." |
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"There is a lot of getting used to, I can imagine for new users as well. I do like the idea of blocks, and the 'block creation' after for instance an enter is awesome and quick (local install). What I am really missing in the plugin is a way to use Gutenberg for posts that are already created. When you hit publish, or accidentally are thrown out of the editor, there is no easy way (is there any?) to get back to editing in the GB editor." |
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"When I pressed the Preview button first time "about:blank" page opened in the new tab and nothing was there. I pressed it a couple more times but nothing changed. I had to update the post and then open the post (via permalink) to view the changes. When I tried to press Preview again after that, it worked. Another issue I noticed, is that I updated the post and then left clicked the permalink to view the post in the same browser tab, but when I pressed browser back button to go back, the editor opened with empty content, like it was a new post. After I refreshed the editor page the content was back." |
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"In some ways, I really like the design of the new editor and would find a pleasant place to type longer articles/posts. One of the downsides I see is that by splitting everything up into blocks, it seems to take longer to make a post that has multiple fields/types. Also I wonder, having not yet tried, how easy/difficult it would be to add an image that would float to the left/right of a paragraph. Additionally, there does appear to be bugs with some block types that make the floating bar editor impossible to use. (One is detailed above. In trying to left/right float an image in " |
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"It's not intuitively clear how to write a post fluidly. Having the different elements, paragraph, lists, quotes in different boxes breaks up the flow of the page. Typically when I write I input all the text and then go back a highlight specific text to change to a list or a quote, for instance. I also typically add photos after the text is there, adding it beforehand is confusing. This is my first time trying it out so I may be missing something. Thanks." |
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It would be good to take a closer look at the feedback received here: |
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@paaljoachim I have already asked Tim to make issues. |
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Closing as moving to the project. We are moving things to projects that aren't core Gutenberg and need to be done apart. |
Update debug configuration for VSCode
As the tests come in for Gutenberg I am going to make issues but also add feedback here as a constant thread for people to check.
For reference the tests are here: https://make.wordpress.org/test/2017/06/27/call-for-testing-gutenberg/.
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