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Change: Decrease build time of GLA Toxin Demo Trap from 16 to 8 seconds #2015

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@xezon xezon commented Jun 18, 2023

This change decreases the build time of the GLA Toxin Demo Trap from 16 to 8 seconds.

Object Build Cost Build Time Explosion Damage 30s Poison Damage
Original GLA Trap 400 10 600
Original GLA Demo Trap 200 6 700
Original GLA Stealth Trap 400 10 600
Original GLA Toxin Trap 600 16 250 140
Patched GLA Toxin Trap (this) 600 8 250 140

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The original GLA Toxin Trap provides poor value. Its damage output is vastly inferior to that of other GLA Traps. It is more expensive. And ultimately the long build time of 16 seconds (without power) makes it unattainable for practical applications. If the opposition can see a GLA Worker swinging his hammer in the air for 16 seconds, then it is much less likely for the Toxin Trap to succeed in a surprise.

8 seconds over 10 seconds build time compensates a bit for the fact that the Toxin Trap costs more and deals less damage than the other Traps.

@xezon xezon added Design Is a matter of game design Controversial Is controversial Minor Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker Buff Makes a thing more powerful GLA Affects GLA faction labels Jun 18, 2023
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ImTimK commented Jun 18, 2023

Tox trap is such annoying case for me, like I don't understand why it's so expensive and slow building, it would've made much more sense if it was the same as other GLA's, but better vs infantry and worse vs vehicles. They should've just removed it from Tox all together, I prefer that over the current setup.

Ofcourse we're not going to remove it and neither should we buff it too much because Toxgen doesn't need buffs. Equalizing like I described above is probably too much of a buff already.

So I guess 8 seconds is fine, players with brains are not going to spam $600 traps.

Though what if we nerf explosive damage even a bit more (200), buff the poison damage and maybe it's radius aswell? Then equalize build time and price? Would that be safe? Then it's really specialized as an anti-infantry trap, but still affordable.

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xezon commented Jun 18, 2023

I suggest discussing damage buffs in #802. This change is only concerned about lowering the build time.

To me the 8 seconds build time looks very safe given the current damage potential. The Toxin Trap still sucks given its price, but at least it can be used for what it is intended with the reduced build time. So it is no longer useless.

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xezon commented Jun 18, 2023

MTKing

Looks good to me

Jundiyy

Fine by me

@xezon xezon force-pushed the tweak-toxin-trap-build-time branch from bfea8c8 to 602e6ff Compare June 18, 2023 17:54
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xezon commented Jun 18, 2023

Documentation added. Looks good.

@xezon xezon merged commit 0bad7dc into main Jun 18, 2023
@xezon xezon deleted the tweak-toxin-trap-build-time branch June 18, 2023 17:55
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