September 2017 #37

killercup · 2017-08-02T22:41:28Z

killercup · 2017-08-02T22:49:32Z

At the August meetup (#35) we discussed the idea of having a round of "RFC lightning talks", where a bunch of people present their favorite/exiting RFCs in 5 minutes each.

If we want to do that, I'd say we need at least 3 talks by the beginning of the last week in August. This is also most likely not a question of find stuff to talk about together (we could probably even reduce the scope to "already merged but not yet implemented RFCs" and still have no trouble of finding topics for 10 talks) but of finding speakers and tie them down for a talk.

badboy · 2017-08-03T08:14:55Z

Date would 6.9., which works for me

badboy · 2017-08-09T14:59:40Z

Should we get started with this, e.g. sending out the save the date, etc?

killercup · 2017-08-09T15:02:06Z

Sure. Do we want to go ahead with the RFC plan, @colin-kiegel, @Florob? Maybe we can even send out an extra-early invite :)

Florob · 2017-08-11T07:48:57Z

I'm fine with sending out an early invite for the "RFC plan". I guess even if no-one else has something to present we should find 3 talks among the four of us.

badboy · 2017-08-11T08:35:34Z

Yup, I'd be fine with it as well and I would happily prepare something to start of

killercup · 2017-08-11T08:41:17Z

Let's just write some new RFCs and present those! Kidding aside, I'd be happy to present a RFC as well. Is the format okay? 5min lightning talks? Jan-Erik Rediger <[email protected]> schrieb am Fr. 11. Aug. 2017 um 10:35:

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colin-kiegel · 2017-08-11T14:29:32Z

Hey, I like the idea.

If we have three 5-minute talks plus discussion, the official part might be over after one hour. Should we do one round of open-space afterwards, or just leave it to spontaneous activities?

early-invitation: IMO an announcement via the mailing list is much more visible than just "publishing" the event. Usually we just publish the event to send our save-the-date reminder, but this is only good for headlines. If we want to send more text (like "please tell us if you want to give a talk ..."), we should do this in a regular mail before/after publishing the event. Does that make sense to you? :-)

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-11T14:35:49Z

Oh and by the way in July someone told me, that it's difficult for him to attend on Wednesdays due to a hobby (singing in a choir every wednesday). I still believe that we should do irregular exceptions to our first-wednesday-each-month rhythm to attract different people once in a while.

So, what about Tuesday 05.09. instead?
@Florob: Most important question is, on which evenings is the C4 available?

killercup · 2017-08-11T14:50:48Z

If we have three 5-minute talks plus discussion, the official part might be over after one hour.

that's why I wrote

we need at least 3 talks

:)

I think we should aim for 3 to 5 talks and 5min talk + 5min discussion (with hard cuts if necessary).

So, what about Tuesday 05.09. instead?

Everything but Friday works that week for me. (That way I might even be able to go to the Elixir meetup on the 6th ~~to infiltrate their ranks to copy all their good ideas for make benefit glorious meetup of Rust Cologne!~~)

badboy · 2017-08-11T19:01:45Z

The alternative date would work even better for me.

Florob · 2017-08-11T19:05:04Z

The C4 is taken on Tuesdays. We could probably do Monday the 4th if that works for people.

Personally I'd plan a bit more than 5 minutes for discussion, but we can probably vary that depending on the number of RFCs we actually have.

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-12T07:57:30Z

I don't know yet if I can attend on Monday. But if it works for everyone else that would be ok for me.

killercup · 2017-08-14T10:46:08Z

So Monday or Wednesday? Both work for me.

Personally I'd plan a bit more than 5 minutes for discussion

Yep, I'd aim for 5+5 to keep things moving, but not cut off discussions.

Invite text proposal (feel free to change; get the markdown source be editing my comment; I went with the default Wednesday date for now):

Fellow Rustaceans,

Our next meetup is set for Wednesday, September 6th, 2017.

This time, we want to talk not about the Rust we currently know and love, but about the Rust we want to have next year! And how do we know what will happen in Rust over the next year? (Aside from wild speculation, ~~stainless steel~~ crystal balls, and actual time travel that is.) All significant changes to Rust—the compiler, the language, and the ecosystem—are publicly proposed and discussed in form of RFCs (request for comments). You can find the currently open, as well as all accepted and rejected RFCs in the rust-lang/rfcs repository.

And boy are there tons of RFCs! So we'd like to try a slightly new format: We invite you to give lightning talks about specific RFCs. Which ones? You decide. The only requirement is that you need to have fun talking about it! We'll try to have 3 to 5 talks, each one up to 5 minutes longs plus 5 additional minutes for discussion.

If that sounds like something you'd like to do: Awesome! Just comment on the Github issue for this meetup, on meetup.com (or contact us some other way) and let us know what you'd like to talk about! :)

You can register here.

See you soon!

Yours,
Jan-Erik, Pascal, Florian and Colin
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The meetup will likely be held in German, we will however reevaluate this at the
beginning of the evening and may switch to English if needed.

Totally OT: I just saw https://twitter.com/bpdp/status/895419283307495425 and I want to have an infographic like that for us as well because it's so pretty but I have no idea why we'd need it 😄

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-14T13:35:36Z

ok, +1 for wednesday. :-)

I also like the invitation text.

badboy · 2017-08-14T19:14:38Z

"And boy are there ..." - I don't like this. Can we change that slightly?

Should we stay strict to the 5min+5min? Or relax it slightly even in writing (I know that for the discussion it's not a hard hard limit)

killercup · 2017-08-14T19:45:52Z

"And boy are there ..." - I don't like this. Can we change that slightly?

Sure! How about we go all British and say "But, blimey, there are many RFCs!" or stay classy and say "But there sure are a lot of RFCs!"

killercup · 2017-08-14T19:47:08Z

Oh, and I'd want to stay rather strict on the 5min limit. If that leads to people compressing there talk down to most interesting parts… well, I won't complain. If bad comes to worse they can always ask for a few more minutes (and we can decide ad-hoc).

badboy · 2017-08-14T19:57:59Z

5min it is then!

badboy · 2017-08-14T19:58:16Z

I'd say go the (boring|classy|simple) way.

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-14T20:45:23Z

Hehe, I spontaneously liked the enthusiasm of "And boy ..." ;-)

I think one reason for people to come to our meetup is if they expect other people to be enthusiastic about Rust. But don't get me wrong, I don't want to argue over this sentence - I'm perfectly ok with a simple variant, too. I just want to note, that generally I am in favour of enthusiastic, vivid and playful wording (if it doesn't obstruct the message). ^^

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-16T19:59:22Z

Ok, I just sent the pre-invitation and updated the description on meetup! :-)

killercup · 2017-08-16T20:07:32Z

Thanks! Do you also want to announce the meetup? Or wait for a bit before doing that (and probably sending another mail)?

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-16T20:20:07Z

I would wait a few days (maybe until next week), because it's not possible to silently publish the meetup. ^^

Although unpublished, it's already possible to RSVP.

cf. #37

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-21T21:44:41Z

all invitations sent, except for reddit

badboy · 2017-08-22T09:45:04Z

will take care of reddit

diovudau · 2017-08-22T11:13:35Z

I'm coming, but as a pure passive visitor.

mre · 2017-08-25T16:36:28Z

If it's okay, I would like to pick Evolving Rust through Checkpoints, since it's one of the most discussed RFCs so far.

killercup · 2017-08-25T16:38:14Z

@mre YES!

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You owe me a talk anyway 😉

killercup · 2017-08-25T16:51:44Z

By the way, @Rustaceans/organizers-cologne, should we maybe ping some folks and ask if they want to talk about an RFC they were heavily involved in? Because my fallback idea was to talk about 1946 if we don't have enough other RFCs :) Maybe you feel similarly.

badboy · 2017-08-26T09:31:39Z

We should!
I have 1 or 2 RFCs in mind to do myself, so let's start a list!

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-26T11:11:33Z

@badboy: @killercup already started a list in the first post #37 (comment) :-)

badboy · 2017-08-28T10:01:13Z

Ok, I will talk about either:

Which do you prefer?

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-28T10:42:57Z

nice. My vote for fallible collection allocation. :-)

badboy · 2017-08-28T11:17:55Z

as you wish goes reading

colin-kiegel · 2017-08-31T08:20:20Z

I could imagine talking about RFC #2126: Clarify and streamline paths and visibility. But the 5min-goal will likely be a challenge. :-)

@killercup I would like to hear about your rust-lang/rfcs#1946.

killercup · 2017-08-31T08:31:21Z

Ohhh, 2126 is a good idea! I totally tuned out of that discussion a while ago 😄

Also: We should totally mention https://request-for-explanation.github.io/podcast/!

Florob · 2017-08-31T09:56:30Z

I'd like to talk about RFC 1228: Placement left arrow.
Probably also a case where fitting motivation and birds eye view of the RFC in 5 min will take some work though.

killercup · 2017-09-06T20:25:49Z

Thanks all!

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