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frost(sdpa): bound the SM80 backward q-loop by the sliding window (6-12x on gpt_oss-style SWA) + window-aware deterministic relay - #866

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The A100 attention_training dashboard (results CSVs, 2026-08-26) shows the SM80 FROST backward on the gpt_oss config (sliding window W=128, d=64) running 5× slower than the cuDNN backend at S=2k, 19× at 8k and 75× at 32k — super-linear, while the forward is at parity or faster.

Root cause: bprop_f16_sm80.py bounded each kv-tile's q-loop only from below (the causal skip, q_lo_tile) and applied the window purely as a per-element mask in _mask_p, so every kv-tile swept all q-tiles to the end of the sequence — O(S²) work for an O(S·W) problem. The forward kernel already trims its kv range by the window (kv_left); the backward never got the mirror.

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  • Window upper bound on the q-loop: a kv-tile [kv_base, kv_base+tile_kv) is attended by no q with anchor(q) > kv_base + tile_kv − 1 + W (anchor = q, or q + causal_diag under bottom-right — exactly _mask_p's semantics), so n_iters is capped at ceil((kv_base + tile_kv + W − diag) / tile_q) − q_lo_tile. Fully-masked tiles run 0 iterations and the epilogue stores dK = dV = 0. THD uses in-sequence indices, so the bound is per packed sequence.
  • Window-aware deterministic relay: the dQ relay spun until counter == kv_tile, which assumes every lower kv-tile visited the q-tile; a high-end cut breaks that (q_hi grows with kv_tile), so a naive bound would hang the relay. The relay now counts turns from the q-tile's first visitor, kv_first = max((q_row0 + diag − W) // tile_kv, 0) — the algebraic inverse of the clamp — for both the acquire target and the atomic_exch release value. Folds to kv_tile without a window. Same shape as the SM120 kernel's relay_turn.

Numbers (A100, b=2 h=16 d=64 W=128 bf16 causal, backward median; cuDNN backend in parentheses)

S=4k S=8k
before 3.111 ms 12.041 ms
after, non-deterministic 0.507 ms (0.425) 0.980 ms (0.802)
after, deterministic 3.463 ms (2.609) 10.876 ms (9.457)

Non-deterministic: 6.1× / 12.3× faster, now scaling linearly and within ~1.2× of the backend. Deterministic is bounded by the serialized relay on both implementations; it's now within ~1.15–1.3× of the backend's deterministic path (the dashboard had it at ~2.3×).

Tests (test/python/fe_api/sdpa/test_sdpa_bwd_sm80.py, A100)

  • test_sm80_bwd_swa_long_seq[causal_swa_tl | swa_only | causal_swa_br] — S ≫ W (2048/W=128, BR with s_q=1536 ≠ s_kv=2048) against the dense reference, which gains bottom-right + window support mirroring _mask_p.
  • test_sm80_bwd_thd_swa — per-sequence bound with sequences shorter and longer than the window.
  • test_sm80_bwd_swa_deterministic[tl | br] — bitwise repeatable, agrees with the non-deterministic path and the reference (a wrong first-visitor would hang or mis-order).
  • Full backward file: 63 passed; fwd / integration / stream-respect suites unchanged.

Cross-arch note: SM120 already had both the clamp and the relay adjustment; this brings SM80 to parity. Project-board assignment pending (see #863 discussion).

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  • Bug Fixes

    • Improved sliding-window attention backward processing for causal and non-causal configurations.
    • Corrected bottom-right masking and deterministic results across varying sequence lengths.
    • Reduced unnecessary backward computation for attended query regions, improving efficiency for windowed attention.
  • Tests

    • Added coverage for long-sequence, sliding-window, bottom-right, and THD attention scenarios.
    • Expanded validation of deterministic and non-deterministic backward results across varied sequence geometries.

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SM80 SDPA backward now trims sliding-window query iterations, adjusts deterministic dQ semaphore relay turns, and supports bottom-right causal and non-causal window references. Tests cover long sequences, THD inputs, and deterministic execution.

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SM80 sliding-window backward

Layer / File(s) Summary
Mask reference and THD execution
test/python/fe_api/sdpa/test_sdpa_bwd_sm80.py
The gradient reference supports bottom-right causal and non-causal sliding-window masks. THD helpers pass the configured window through forward, backward, and reference paths.
Sliding-window q-loop bounds
python/cudnn/sdpa/bwd/kernels/bprop_f16_sm80.py
The backward q-loop limits iterations to attended query tiles, adjusts bottom-right causal bounds, clamps tile ranges, and handles fully masked ranges.
Deterministic relay and regression tests
python/cudnn/sdpa/bwd/kernels/bprop_f16_sm80.py, test/python/fe_api/sdpa/test_sdpa_bwd_sm80.py
Deterministic dQ relay turns use the first admitted KV tile. Tests validate long sequences, THD windows, gradient references, and repeatable deterministic results.

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  participant SDPA backward tests
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  participant dQ semaphore
  SDPA backward tests->>_ref_grads: Build the sliding-window reference
  SDPA backward tests->>bprop_f16_sm80: Run SM80 backward
  bprop_f16_sm80->>bprop_f16_sm80: Limit q-loop to attended tiles
  bprop_f16_sm80->>dQ semaphore: Use adjusted relay_turn
  dQ semaphore-->>bprop_f16_sm80: Continue ordered dQ relay
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…ow-aware deterministic relay

The SM80 backward bounded each kv-tile's q-loop only from below (the causal
skip) and applied the sliding window purely as a per-element mask, so every
kv-tile swept all q-tiles to the end of the sequence: O(S^2) work for an
O(S*W) problem. The A100 attention_training dashboard showed it on the
gpt_oss config (W=128, d=64): cudnn_oss backward 5x slower than the cuDNN
backend at S=2k, 19x at 8k, 75x at 32k, while the forward already trims its
kv range by the window (kv_left).

Add the upper bound: a kv-tile [kv_base, kv_base+tile_kv) is attended by no q
with anchor(q) > kv_base + tile_kv - 1 + W (anchor = q, or q + causal_diag
under bottom-right), so n_iters is capped at ceil((kv_base + tile_kv + W -
diag) / tile_q) - q_lo_tile; fully-masked tiles run 0 iters and store dK =
dV = 0. THD uses in-sequence indices, so the bound is per packed sequence.

Deterministic path: the dQ relay spun until counter == kv_tile, which assumes
every lower kv-tile visited the q-tile. A high-end cut breaks that (q_hi grows
with kv_tile), so the relay now counts turns from the q-tile's first visitor,
kv_first = max((q_row0 + diag - W) // tile_kv, 0) — the inverse of the clamp —
for both the acquire target and the release value (SM120 precedent:
bprop_f16_sm120.py relay_turn). Without a window it folds to kv_tile.

A100, b=2 h=16 d=64 W=128 bf16 causal, backward median (cuDNN backend ref):
  non-det  S=4k: 3.111 -> 0.507 ms (ref 0.425)   S=8k: 12.041 -> 0.980 ms (ref 0.802)
  det      S=4k: 3.463 ms (ref 2.609)            S=8k: 10.876 ms (ref 9.457)

Tests: test_sm80_bwd_swa_long_seq (top-left causal+window, window-only,
bottom-right causal+window with s_q != s_kv) at S >> W against the dense
reference (which gains bottom-right + window support), test_sm80_bwd_thd_swa
(per-sequence bound), test_sm80_bwd_swa_deterministic (bitwise repeatable,
matches non-deterministic and the reference, TL and BR).

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(three window geometries; deterministic TL+BR with three backward passes
each) move to L1, and one representative case of each stays at L0 as a
smoke test — the same smoke/sweep pattern this file already uses for the
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Drop the history and perf narrative ("without this ... 5x-75x") and state
what the code maintains: the window's q upper bound, and the relay turn as
a kv-tile's rank among a q-tile's contiguous visitor set.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Fable 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
@egilliam-nv egilliam-nv self-assigned this Sep 2, 2026
@vedaanta vedaanta added orig-nv-eng Reported or requested by NVIDIA engineering. cat-enhancements area:global_attention labels Sep 2, 2026
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