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  • DeepSeek FP8 activation and finalization paths now clamp amax to 1e-10. This prevents zero-scale blocks and 0/0 NaNs.
  • MoE workspace sizing now uses the gated activation width for activation outputs and scales.
  • Routing kernel selection now uses the shared prefersCoopBlockKernel helper. The helper supports routing policies, token limits, expert thresholds, and the Renormalize minimum-expert override.
  • Qwen3NextMTP.forward temporarily applies draft token counts and restores the original metadata in all paths, including exceptions.
  • Communication strategy selection now records and logs the selected strategy and its source.
  • Chunk tracking now uses a Python boolean list instead of a CPU tensor.
  • The A10 pre-merge test list adds unittest/_torch/models/test_qwen3_next_eager_fusion.py.
  • Reviewers should verify routing thresholds against target hardware and confirm that the environment-variable override preserves existing deployment behavior.

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  • Test code changed in:
    • cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/blockScaleMoeActivationTest.cu
      • Updated zero-block scale and output expectations.
      • Added activation workspace sizing coverage.
    • cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/routing/routingCustomTest.cpp
      • Added five typed routing boundary tests.
      • Added cooperative-kernel selection-table coverage.
    • tests/unittest/_torch/models/test_qwen3_next_eager_fusion.py
      • Added draft token-count handling tests.
      • Added metadata restoration coverage for success and exception paths.
  • tests/unittest/_torch/models/test_qwen3_next_eager_fusion.py is covered by tests/integration/test_lists/test-db/l0_a10.yml.
  • No test-db/ or qa/ entries were identified for the C++ unit tests.
  • Verdict: needs follow-up.

The routing improvement:

Summary

Across the 45 cases where selection actually changes:

Part Improved Median Best Smallest improvement Regressions
GB300 (SM103) 45 / 45 −22.16% −37.41% −2.91% none
B200 (SM100) 43 / 45 −14.52% −33.78% −1.96% +0.87%, +0.39%

By token count:

Tokens Cases GB300 median GB300 range B200 median B200 range
1 9 −7.05% −14.86% … −2.91% −2.51% −9.79% … +0.87%
2 18 −16.40% −24.40% … −12.09% −12.14% −20.02% … −5.34%
4 18 −31.08% −37.41% … −27.03% −26.37% −33.78% … −21.88%

One token — 9 cases, dispatched tier ≤ 256 only

Experts / top-k Tier GB300 B200
E128 / K8 128 −13.30% −2.87%
E128 / K10 256 −6.30% −1.96%
E128 / K16 256 −14.02% −9.22%
E160 / K8 160 −2.91% +0.87%
E160 / K10 256 −7.00% −2.37%
E160 / K16 256 −14.70% −9.72%
E256 / K8 256 −3.34% +0.39%
E256 / K10 256 −7.05% −2.51%
E256 / K16 256 −14.86% −9.79%

Two cases regress on B200. Both are under 1% and both gain 2.91% / 3.34% on GB300.
These are the only measured regressions this commit introduces.

Two tokens — 18 cases

Experts / top-k Tier GB300 B200
E128 / K8 128 −21.53% −13.35%
E128 / K10 256 −15.60% −12.01%
E128 / K16 256 −22.43% −18.83%
E160 / K8 160 −12.68% −9.44%
E160 / K10 256 −16.29% −12.27%
E160 / K16 256 −23.12% −19.40%
E256 / K8 256 −13.73% −10.08%
E256 / K10 256 −17.41% −12.78%
E256 / K16 256 −24.40% −20.02%
E384 / K8 512 −12.09% −5.34%
E384 / K10 512 −15.56% −7.55%
E384 / K16 512 −21.30% −13.66%
E448 / K8 512 −12.98% −6.46%
E448 / K10 512 −16.43% −8.57%
E448 / K16 512 −22.22% −14.85%
E512 / K8 512 −12.89% −6.18%
E512 / K10 (target model) 512 −16.38% −8.21%
E512 / K16 512 −22.16% −14.52%

All 18 improve on both parts.

Four tokens — 18 cases

Experts / top-k Tier GB300 B200
E128 / K8 128 −27.40% −28.58%
E128 / K10 256 −29.38% −26.08%
E128 / K16 256 −35.34% −32.84%
E160 / K8 160 −27.96% −24.98%
E160 / K10 256 −30.27% −26.66%
E160 / K16 256 −36.23% −33.51%
E256 / K8 256 −27.66% −24.25%
E256 / K10 256 −31.45% −26.91%
E256 / K16 256 −37.41% −33.78%
E384 / K8 512 −27.03% −22.07%
E384 / K10 512 −30.82% −24.34%
E384 / K16 512 −36.23% −30.72%
E448 / K8 512 −27.78% −22.39%
E448 / K10 512 −31.45% −24.67%
E448 / K16 512 −36.79% −31.15%
E512 / K8 512 −27.73% −21.88%
E512 / K10 (target model) 512 −31.33% −24.28%
E512 / K16 512 −36.70% −30.86%

All 18 improve on both parts.

Non-standard configurations

Same direction, so neither expert parallelism nor PDL changes the result.

Config Tokens Shape GB300 B200
EP1, PDL off 4 E512 / K10 −31.51% −24.78%
EP32, PDL on 2 E512 / K10 −18.86% −9.47%
EP32, PDL on 4 E512 / K10 −35.08% −27.74%

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The pull request updates FP8 block-scale MoE quantization, activation workspace sizing, cooperative routing selection, Qwen3 Next MTP metadata restoration, and fused MoE runtime tracking. It adds unit coverage for these changes.

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FP8 block-scale MoE

Layer / File(s) Summary
Finite FP8 activation quantization
cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/trtllmGenKernels/blockScaleMoe/DevKernel.cu, cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/blockScaleMoeActivationTest.cu
Activation amax values use a minimum floor before scale computation. Zero-block tests require finite positive scales and zero FP8 outputs.
Activation workspace capacity
cpp/tensorrt_llm/thop/fp8BlockScaleMoe.cpp, cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/blockScaleMoeActivationTest.cu
Activation buffers use padding based on the activation row width. Workspace capacity includes activation padding.
Expert-tier routing boundaries
cpp/tensorrt_llm/kernels/trtllmGenKernels/blockScaleMoe/routing/*, cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/routing/routingCustomTest.cpp
Cooperative kernel eligibility is centralized. Policy thresholds and the TLLM_ROUTING_COOP_BLOCK_MIN_EXPERTS override are applied. Boundary tests cover routing policies, token counts, and expert tiers.

Qwen 3 Next MTP metadata handling

Layer / File(s) Summary
MTP token-count lifecycle
tensorrt_llm/_torch/models/modeling_qwen3_next.py, tests/unittest/_torch/models/test_qwen3_next_eager_fusion.py, tests/integration/test_lists/test-db/l0_a10.yml
MTP execution temporarily applies draft rank-token counts and restores the original metadata after success or failure. The test is added to the A10 pre-merge list.

Fused MoE runtime adjustments

Layer / File(s) Summary
Communication and chunk tracking
tensorrt_llm/_torch/modules/fused_moe/communication/communication_factory.py, tensorrt_llm/_torch/modules/fused_moe/moe_scheduler.py
Forced communication selection records and logs its source. Chunk usage tracking uses a Python boolean list.

Estimated code review effort: 3 (Moderate) | ~25 minutes

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The PR changes MoE routing and eager-fusion behavior, while the remaining follow-up is limited to localized test coverage, test-list confirmation, and style. No actionable merge-blocking correctness, availability, security, or deployment risk remains beyond normal checks and review.

Suggested reviewers: schetlur-nv, mlefeb01, pranav-nvidia, yuanjingx87

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sequenceDiagram
  participant Qwen3NextMTP
  participant attn_metadata
  participant MTPDecoder
  Qwen3NextMTP->>attn_metadata: save target all_rank_num_tokens
  Qwen3NextMTP->>attn_metadata: apply draft all_rank_num_tokens
  Qwen3NextMTP->>MTPDecoder: execute MTP computation
  MTPDecoder-->>Qwen3NextMTP: return or raise RuntimeError
  Qwen3NextMTP->>attn_metadata: restore target all_rank_num_tokens
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Approving — the comments below are optional touch-ups, not blockers.

The Description and Test Coverage sections are empty — the only content is the CodeRabbit auto-summary. This PR carries six independent changes (activation buffer sizing, quantization epsilon, routing kernel selection, chunk bookkeeping, MTP attention-DP metadata, comm-strategy logging), which is reasonable given they share the same bringup, but the description should list each one separately: what it changes, and what symptom it fixes. Right now a reader has to reverse-engineer that from the diff, and a future bisect or partial revert has nothing to go on.

Worth calling out specifically: the activation amax floor changes numerics (all-zero blocks: NaN → 0). A sentence on the serving failure it fixes would help future readers.

On correctness I traced the activation-buffer resize through the runner: the activation and finalize kernels index the scale buffers with the device-side total_num_padded_tokens, not the allocated capacity, so giving activation_output/activation_output_scale their own larger capacity is safe with no stride coupling to gemm1_output. The MTP change matches the Eagle3DraftModel.forward install/restore pattern line for line, and the draft loop does pass per-step counts via the kwarg, so the previous del all_rank_num_tokens was indeed dropping them.

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ExternalCommMoEScheduler tracked per-chunk usage in a torch.bool tensor and
read it back with Python truth conversion. The value is host-only: it never
participates in device computation, and the allocation requests no device, so
it lands on the default device, which is CPU on every PyTorch-backend serving
path.

This is not a correctness fix. Reading a CPU tensor is legal during CUDA Graph
capture. What it removes is host overhead: the tensor costs an allocation per
call plus a Tensor.__getitem__/__bool__ dispatch per chunk, measured at about
3.2 us per call against 0.1 us for the Python list.
_forward_multiple_chunks runs once per MoE layer per step, so a 60-layer model
pays this on every decode step.

It also removes a latent hazard. If the allocation ever gains an explicit
device, or runs under a default-device context, the same read becomes a
device-to-host sync that is illegal during capture; under torch.compile a
data-dependent read of a traced tensor becomes a graph break. Python state has
neither failure mode.

Signed-off-by: Wanli Jiang <35160485+Wanli-Jiang@users.noreply.github.com>
Qwen3NextMTP.forward accepted all_rank_num_tokens and dropped it with `del`, so
the MoE inside a draft iteration kept reading the target forward's per-rank token
counts off attn_metadata. The draft loop rewrites the sequence layout in place
after the first step (eagle3.py:1110 fills seq_lens with 1), so from step 1 the
tensor carries one row per sequence while the counts still describe the target's
max_draft_len + 1 rows per sequence.

Step 0 is unaffected. spec_metadata.num_tokens is deliberately not reduced to the
subseq shape for MTP Eagle (eagle3.py:519, "keep the 1st-iter shape (matches
input_ids)"), so the value already on attn_metadata describes that step. With
max_draft_len == 1 there is no divergence at all.

The consumer decides what the staleness costs. AllGatherReduceScatter passes the
list straight to allgather as exact per-rank sizes, and _allgather asserts
input.shape[dim] == sizes[rank] (ops.py:247) before any NCCL call, so every rank
raises AssertionError during dispatch: attention DP plus MTP Eagle with
max_draft_len > 1 cannot run on that strategy at all. That combination is not
exotic, because TRTLLM_FORCE_COMM_METHOD=ALLGATHER is the standard workaround for
DeepEP and NVLink one-sided issues, so the fallback is broken exactly when it is
needed.

The alltoall strategies instead treat the value as an upper bound: reducescatter
is skipped entirely (interface.py:1175) and NVLinkOneSided takes only max() for
workspace capacity, so those paths already computed the correct result. What they
pay is wasted work. calculate_num_chunks derives the chunk count from
len(list) * max(list), so a stale value inflates it by up to max_draft_len + 1,
and each surplus chunk is substituted with chunk 0's tokens (moe_scheduler.py:659)
and run through a full dispatch, expert GEMM and combine before its result is
discarded. The saving only materialises once the padded row count crosses
moe_max_num_tokens, so it is configuration dependent and is not measured here. On
SM120, where use_dp_padding is enabled, the same stale value truncates the output
(moe_scheduler.py:216) and returns the target row count instead of the draft's.

No numerical result changes on any validated deployment.

Install the draft distribution for the duration of the call and restore the target
value in `finally`, so an exception cannot leak the draft counts into later
forwards. Passing None leaves the metadata untouched, which keeps every non-ADP
and non-draft caller unchanged.

This closes a leg left open by NVIDIA#12353 ("Merge Eagle3 and MTP-eagle one-model
workers"), which moved save/restore from the caller to the callee: the Eagle3 leg
gained the try/finally in modeling_speculative.py, but the MTP Eagle leg lands in
modeling_qwen3_next.py, which that PR did not touch. The block added here has the
same shape as modeling_speculative.py:426 and :681.

test_qwen3_next_eager_fusion.py arrived with NVIDIA#15194 and has never appeared in a
test list, so the cases added here would not have run in CI. Register the file in
l0_a10.yml next to test_qwen3_next_moe_quant.py, which the comment above that entry
already marks as the parking spot for CPU-only unit tests with no dedicated job.
The CPU stage is not an option: it runs `-m cpu_only`, and conftest.py:228 skips
any test file carrying no pytest.mark.cpu_only marker, which fails the entry with
exit code 5 for collecting nothing.

Marking the file is not the alternative it looks like. L0_Test.groovy:1578 hands
every stage whose name does not start with CPU- the opposite expression,
`-m 'not cpu_only'`, so a marked file would deselect all six cases on l0_a10 and
fail there in exactly the same way. The two options are mutually exclusive: either
the file carries the marker and is listed on the CPU stage, or it stays unmarked
and is listed on a GPU stage. This takes the second. Both directions were checked
against the file: `-m 'not cpu_only'` collects and passes all six, `-m cpu_only`
deselects all six and exits 5. All six, including the four that predate this
change, also pass with CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES empty.

Signed-off-by: Wanli Jiang <35160485+Wanli-Jiang@users.noreply.github.com>
maybeGetMinTokenCount(numPaddedTokens, hiddenSize, bits) returns a row count
that brings a buffer up to the 128 KiB floor for the row width it is handed, so
its result is only meaningful for that width. run_fp8_block_scale_moe computed
max_num_padded_tokens_gemm1 from 2 * intermediate_size, which is correct for
gemm1_output, and then reused that row count for activation_output, which is
only intermediate_size wide because the gated activation collapses FC1's gate
and value halves. The activation buffer therefore received half the intended
floor.

At intermediate_size=1024 with 32 padded tokens the activation backing was
64 KiB instead of 128 KiB, and the paired FP32 scales 2 KiB instead of 4 KiB.
Only small batches are affected: maybeGetMinTokenCount returns
max(numPaddedTokens, minRequired), so once the batch alone clears the floor both
computations agree.

Derive the capacity from the activation's own row width instead. Note that
runner.h documents the 128 KiB floor as a performance measure; whether it is
also a TMA backing requirement is not stated in-tree.

workspace.total_max_padded_tokens describes the workspace capacity and was
std::max(gemm1, gemm2). The activation is the narrowest of the three buffers, so
its 128 KiB floor needs the most rows and it now exceeds both: at
intermediate_size 2304 it needs 57 rows against 29 for gemm1's 4608-wide rows and
16 for a 4096-wide bf16 gemm2 output. Fold it into the max. Nothing reads the
field today -- it is write-only across the repo, including the Python bindings --
so this changes no behaviour; it only stops the descriptor from under-counting the
workspace it names, which a future consumer would inherit.

Signed-off-by: Wanli Jiang <35160485+Wanli-Jiang@users.noreply.github.com>
For an all-zero 128-element activation block amax is zero, so scaleOut is zero
and quantizing evaluates 0 / 0. That is undefined and writes FP8 NaNs into the
affected row. Floor amax at 1e-10 in both the legacy activationDeepSeekKernel
and the permuted activationDeepSeekPermutedKernel; this is the same epsilon the
DeepGEMM FP8 activation quantizer uses (quantization/utils/fp8_utils.py).

Both kernels keep dividing by scaleOut rather than hoisting a reciprocal, so
nonzero blocks stay bit-identical: x / s and x * (1/s) round differently and a
single ulp was enough to flip a greedy-decoded token. The legacy kernel also
stops computing the same scale twice, once for shared memory and once for
outDqSfsPtr.

finalizeDeepSeekKernel has the same hazard on its outDqSfsPtr branch, so it gets
the same floor. That branch is unreachable today, because every thop entry point
passes args.output_scale = nullptr and the kernel then takes the scaleOut = 1.0f
path, so nothing observable changes; the floor is there so the first caller to
wire up an output scale does not inherit the bug.

The blast radius is one row. The scale written for a zero block is 0/448 = 0,
which is finite, and FC2 is a grouped GEMM with no cross-row reduction. The
most likely source of an all-zero block is per-expert tile padding, which the
finalize kernel discards. No serving failure has been attributed to this; it
removes undefined behaviour rather than fixing an observed symptom.

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For the Renormalize policy (None preprocess + Softmax postprocess) the classic
one-warp-per-token TopK kernel is faster than the cooperative one-thread-per-expert
kernel through the 512-expert tier, so prefer it there. The cooperative kernel keeps
the tiers from 576 experts up, and keeps every tier for every other policy.

Selection is gated on useStaticBlock (numTokens <= 4) and on an elementwise
preprocess, so this affects very-low-concurrency decode only. dispatchedMaxExperts
is the compile-time tier from queryDispatchedMaxExperts(), not the model's expert
count, so the bound moves the Renormalize 128/160/256/512 tiers to the classic
kernel while Tier<576,8> stays cooperative.

The bound is scoped to Renormalize, not to raw-score preprocessing in general.
RoutingPreprocessType::None alone would also catch the None + None fallback policy
(PolicyTraits<NoOpPreprocess, NoOpPostprocess>, Tier<128,8> only), which was never
measured. That policy is unreachable today -- runner.cu:353 is the only assignment
of RoutingPostprocessType::None and it pairs with a Softmax preprocess -- but the
predicate should not depend on that staying true.

Sigmoid and SigmoidBias are excluded for a measured reason. Per-expert preprocessing
pushes the classic kernel into register spilling well below 512 experts: at
E512/topK 22 SigmoidBias it uses 64 registers and a 176-byte stack against 32
registers and no stack for the cooperative kernel, and at E1024/topK 32 its stack
grows to 480 bytes. An unscoped bound would cost 77.72% and 35.41% at one and two
tokens on GB300 for E512/K10 SigmoidBias, reproduced on B200 at 100.97% and 66.26%,
affecting DeepSeek nGroup<=1, Kimi K2, MiniMax M2 and Nemotron Super V3.

The bound stops one tier lower at a single token. The same direct-launcher harness
run on GB300 (SM103) and B200 (SM100) agrees on 36 of 36 Renormalize shapes at tier
<= 512 from two tokens up, but splits at one token: the classic-kernel rate gain for
E512/K10 is +4.62% on GB300 and -4.96% on B200, and all six one-token 512-tier shapes
flip sign (GB300 +0.16%..+4.62%, B200 -4.30%..-7.09%). The split survives EP1
(+4.96% / -4.01%) and PDL on (+5.34% / -5.33%), so it is architectural rather than a
harness or expert-parallelism artefact. Both parts also agree that the cooperative
kernel wins the 576 tier at one token (-9.98% / -9.47%), which is the same effect one
tier further out: the cooperative kernel scales with expert count even at one token,
while the classic kernel has a single warp of work in total. Two small one-token
tiers keep the classic kernel and cost B200 0.85% (E160/K8) and 0.37% (E256/K8) while
gaining GB300 3.00% and 3.46%.

For the target Renormalize E512/K10 path the classic kernel lowers routing latency by
16.38% and 31.33% at two and four tokens on GB300, and by 8.21% and 24.28% on B200.
Direct classic/cooperative output comparisons are byte-identical on both parts, 584
each, so this is a selection change only.

The predicate moves out of run() into prefersCoopBlockKernel() so the selection table
can be asserted without launching a kernel. Both escape hatches stay with the caller,
which keeps the function pure. RoutingCustomSelectionTest pins the table, and every
cell in it is a tier the matching PolicyTraits::Pairs can actually produce. The
output-equivalence boundary tests cannot pin selection at all, because both launchers
emit identical bytes and would pass under either policy; what they cover is the classic
kernel running at shapes it did not previously see. Tier 512 is the only tier whose
launcher changes with the token count, so those tests straddle that flip at one and two
tokens, while tier 576 is cooperative across the whole one-to-four range and stays
covered once at four. One SigmoidBias case is kept at a single token because no other
case in this file routes one token through a per-expert preprocess.

Two escape hatches, one per direction. TLLM_ROUTING_DISABLE_COOP_BLOCK=1 forces the
classic kernel, unchanged from the parent. TLLM_ROUTING_COOP_BLOCK_MIN_EXPERTS replaces
the Renormalize lower tier bound, so 0 restores the parent selection at every tier and
a value above every tier forces the classic kernel. It reaches the predicate as an
argument rather than being read inside it, so the selection table can assert both
directions without touching the environment. It does not affect any other policy, which
is not subject to the bound, and it cannot override the hard constraints on token count
or on one CUDA block of experts. The second hatch exists because the bound is the only
part of this predicate that rests on measurement, and that measurement is SM100-family
only, so a deployment on an unqualified part needs a way back without a rebuild. Both
are read once into a function-static, so they must be set before the first call.

Scope of the evidence. This is a single-kernel result; no end-to-end serving
measurement applies. The one 32-GPU serving reverse A/B that exists does not qualify:
it selected the DeepGEMM MoE backend with Static EPLB, which computes top-k
separately through renorm_moe_routing_op/invokeCustomMoeRouting and never calls
fp8_block_scale_moe_runner, so routingCustom::run() was unreachable at any
concurrency. Even a TRTLLMGen run with Static EPLB would return from
runPostTopKPipeline() before this predicate. A qualifying A/B has to select the
TRTLLMGen backend with integrated raw-logit routing, keep the per-rank routing input
at four tokens or fewer, and record kernel names.

Known limitations. SigmoidBias reverses at four tokens on GB300: across its
SigmoidBias shapes at tier <= 512, the classic kernel is faster in 11 of 12, by up to
41.21%. B200 does not reproduce it -- classic is faster in only 5 of 12 there, and
E512/K10 costs 28.09% -- so no token-aware SigmoidBias rule is
justified yet; scoping the bound to Renormalize keeps the parent behaviour there.
Renormalize Tier<576,8> likewise keeps the cooperative kernel although the classic one
is faster from two tokens up, which predates this change. All performance evidence is
SM100-family while the predicate is architecture independent; SM90 is unqualified.

Signed-off-by: Wanli Jiang <35160485+Wanli-Jiang@users.noreply.github.com>
A forced TRTLLM_FORCE_COMM_METHOD value names the request, not the strategy
class the factory actually constructs, which left performance provenance
ambiguous. Capture the constructed strategy into a local, log its class name
next to the value that selected it, and return it.

Resolve the environment variable and the communication_method argument in one
branch that keeps the source next to the value, instead of collapsing both into
a single os.environ.get(key, default). The old form threw the source away, so
the log could only report an env override the reader would then fail to find in
their environment. Naming the source as a plain key=value also keeps the line
greppable: the reader sees the exact knob to change, TRTLLM_FORCE_COMM_METHOD or
communication_method.

Precedence is unchanged: the environment variable wins, the argument is the
fallback, and neither one set still reaches auto-selection.

No communication behaviour changes and no test is added: the change is a local
binding, a log call, and the same return value.

Multi-rank runs emit this line once per rank, so provenance tooling should
record the rank and deduplicate rather than parse a single arbitrary line.
Auto-selected strategies still rely on their existing observability.

Signed-off-by: Wanli Jiang <35160485+Wanli-Jiang@users.noreply.github.com>
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Use Allman brace style for this lambda.

Put the opening brace on its own line. Keep the return statement on a separate line.

As per coding guidelines: “Use Allman brace style.”

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In `@cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/routing/routingCustomTest.cpp` around lines 378
- 380, Update the renormalize lambda to use Allman brace style by placing its
opening brace on a separate line and keeping the return statement on its own
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In `@cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/routing/routingCustomTest.cpp`:
- Around line 446-467: Extend the renormalize tests around the existing override
cases to cover an interior positive override of 256: assert that tier 160 is
rejected and tier 256 is accepted, preserving the inclusive minimum-tier
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- Around line 381-400: Add the E384 tier to both direct renormalize
selection-table test sections: assert classic behavior for the unset selection
table and override 4096, and cooperative behavior for override 0. Update the
tier coverage loops and single-token boundary cases around renormalize so they
include E384 while preserving the existing expectations for all other tiers.

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In `@cpp/tests/unit_tests/kernels/routing/routingCustomTest.cpp`:
- Around line 378-380: Update the renormalize lambda to use Allman brace style
by placing its opening brace on a separate line and keeping the return statement
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