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Media 2024 #3596
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I'd be happy to be the editor of the media section again. Know the drill -- and ready to do it once more. |
I'm interested in contributing as an analyst. I've been poking around at the question "what sizes and qualities do images on the web tend to be?" I've been running some of the queries in https://almanac.httparchive.org/en/2022/media again and have identified what I think are a few interesting angles. First, the distribution of images sizes is much more uneven and interesting than https://almanac.httparchive.org/en/2022/media#image-dimensions suggests. Here's a histogram from a quick experiment I did in February: Instead of megapixels I'm using sqrt(megapixels), so the equivalent width of a square image. I found this much easier to reason about, since much of the interesting action is in the 0-0.25 megapixel range. 300x300 images are the most common. Second, BPP (bits/pixel) strongly depends on image size, with smaller images having higher BPP. The reasons I can see are (1) container overhead (2) more incentive to compress large images and (3) less detail in large images, as many small images are downscaled versions of the large ones. I think it would be interesting to try to understand quality both through BPP while taking these effects into account, but also by estimating the encoder settings used. I suspect the latter varies less with size, and at least from JPEG an estimation is possible due to how the format works. A first attempt yielded this: I also shared this in #3572 (comment) and there are some words of caution about using ImageMagick's detected quality, but I think something useful could be done here. |
A colleague made this useful observation:
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I noticed this in the 2022 Media report
Coding Independent Code Points (CICP) is a simple to understand and use method, originally from the broadcast and video world, also applicable to still images and short animations. Given that:
Then the "various ways they are encoded" becomes a much more tractable "look for CICP in images" and I suggest this metric for the 2024 Media survey. Originally raised in |
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Hi, I would love to contribute as an analyst. |
Hey @eeeps @akshay-ranganath @nhoizey @yoavweiss @MichaelLewittes - awesome contributors from previous years 🙂 Are you interested in joining us again this year? |
Would be honored to join again as the editor.
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Hi @nrllh, I can indeed join this year once again, as a reviewer. |
@nrllh I can join as an Analyst and Reviewer, but do not have the bandwidth to Lead or Author again this year. |
thank you, @MichaelLewittes, @nhoizey, @eeeps! |
Hi @rey-dal, Furthermore, it would be helpful if you and all other contributors (@svgeesus, @nhoizey, @eeeps , @foolip,@nucliweb,@MichaelLewittes) could join the slack channel of the HTTPArchive (https://join.slack.com/t/httparchive/shared_invite/zt-2hfkn28ts-~uXN4UGS0mXsKpzzhtZcow) Thanks! |
I'd love to see included in this year's report if there's been any uptick in responsive video usage now that support has returned across browsers. That is, how many sites are using video source elements with media attributes and what sizes are they commonly serving? Happy to help if there's any way I can! |
Unfortunately I am overcommitted right now, so can't take this on. |
@svgeesus, @nhoizey, @eeeps, @foolip, @nucliweb, @MichaelLewittes, @turban1988 Hi friends! 👋 I am very excited about this and looking forward to collaborating with all of you! As I know, we're a bit late with the original deadline, so let's kick things off quickly (if possible). To start off, I would like to schedule a 30-60 minute meeting to start the planning and brainstorming process. So please provide your availability here for the next two weeks: https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/erMwP4kd I checked the present timezones and choose options in the european evening that should work for the US. Also, here is an agenda for what we might want to discuss on the kickoff call: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11lk8wSjs9PQXlWhv1FYeDynhrBxQNOUza85fjC5oB1k/edit (please request access). Feel free to add points — because I haven't led any Web Almanac related activities so far. 😅 The goal of the meeting will be to quickly get to know each other, set new deadlines and define our preferred workflow. Speaking of the chapter content: I'll summarize all statistics and data points from the previous year in the gdoc above. Ideally, you could give some thought on which metrics you'd like to drop / adjust but also what new things we should add. :) Also a gentle reminder to join the #web-almanac-media channel on Slack (https://join.slack.com/t/httparchive/shared_invite/zt-2lx22qow3-pkcEJltSqtyP9_86V4uTZQ) |
Thanks @stefanjudis for taking the lead! 🙏 |
@nhoizey @eeeps @nucliweb @MichaelLewittes Thank you for filling out the doodle. We had a very clear winner and it's next week Thursday 11 AM GTM - 7 (SF) / 2PM GTM -4 (NYC) / 8 PM GMT+2 (Berlin). 🎉 If you want to join please let me know and I also invite you. :) The folks joining the Kick-off call already have access to a living document that we'll use going forward. If someone wants to have access, too, just request it via Google. :) Looking forward to catching up with you all! |
I just filled out the doodle |
Hey friends, I'm a bit late — sorry for the slight delay but here's a summary of what we discussed in our kick off call and how we'll proceed. Thank you @nhoizey @eeeps @MichaelLewittes @svgeesus for attending the kick off call. 1. PROJECT MANAGEMENT: We decided that we'll use this Github issue for project management. So you'll hear from me here about anything timeline and task related. Actually content discussions will happen in the existing Google Doc (request access if you don't have it yet). 2. DATA SOURCE: As we're late and the latest data set was already aggregated we decided that we'll primarily work off the last Almanac's Media Chapter. We try to keep it lean for now and will get into newly added data points if there's time and capacity. Possible new data point ideas
3. DATA ACCESS: For the people that want to crunch data please get yourself into the I just did and @eeeps did so too. 4. NEW / SAME SCHEDULE: When looking at the set dates we're super late. We missed the first three points but I think we will catch up to hit the following.
As agreed, to come back on track and make Aug 15, the analysts (@eeeps @foolip @nucliweb) have to evaluate if all the queries from 2y ago still work. Eric offered to show me and possible others the way around to accessing and crunching all the data. Here's another doodle. 👇 https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/erMPW6Kd So far I think it'll be only Erik and me so I'll pick some times that are a bit later in the European time zone. If we then still have time, we'll evaluate if / how new metrics could be added on the June data set. That's it for now, I'll report back once we have some numbers. And if you have any questions, please let me know. Have a great weekend all! 👋 |
Hey friends, @eeeps and I just had our first big query session. The queries from two years ago seem to work 🎉, and we made a game plan. Looking at the deadline of finishing data crunching by Aug 15, we probably won't make it but I'm targeting Sep 1 to have run all the queries and put the results into the official HTTP Archive Google Sheet. We're primarily reusing the existing queries, and if time allows, Eric will look into adding more or query adjustments. After the data is done, I'll share the writing progress early to receive feedback early. You can expect me to hand over a fairly rough draft. 🫣 @nhoizey @eeeps @MichaelLewittes @svgeesus @foolip @nucliweb |
I am going on parental leave, which is great, but unfortunately that means I won't be able to contribute to this effort at all. |
Hi all, I would like to suggest a precision to the next "Media - Bits per pixel by format" section of the Web Almanac. I referred a lot to that great resource for meaningful image codec performance comparisons so far, but the current version aggregates all image sizes, making the results hard to draw conclusions from. For example .jpg is listed with a median 2.1bpp, whereas images between 1 and 2 megapixels should be closer to 1.3bpp. Sorry for not having more time to contribute on this project and thanks everyone for the efforts here. |
@y-guyon Thanks for proposing another way to look at the data. We might look into it, but we're pretty stretched thin and decided to go with the existing metric set, primarily. :) |
@foolip @nucliweb @eeeps @scottjehl I was able to reuse most of the queries and the majority of data points from 2022 are now available for 2024. With that we almost caught up with the data aggregation deadline of Aug 15. You can find the queried data here. And here's the opened PR: #3738 Some queries are still running and I'll query / refine more once @eeeps is back to from his deserved vacation. @svgeesus @nhoizey @eeeps @MichaelLewittes I'll start drafting the chapter and plan to have something ready until Sep 15. |
Media 2024
If you're interested in contributing to the Media chapter of the 2024 Web Almanac, please reply to this issue and indicate which role or roles best fit your interest and availability: author, reviewer, analyst, and/or editor. You might be interested in exploring the changes to this year's version here.
Content team
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Note: The time commitment for each role varies by the chapter's scope and complexity as well as the number of contributors.
For an overview of how the roles work together at each phase of the project, see the Chapter Lifecycle doc.
Milestone checklist
0. Form the content team
April 15
Complete program and content committee - 🔑 Organizing committee1. Plan content
May 1
First meeting to outline the chapter contents - 🔑 Content team2. Gather data
June 1
Custom metrics completed - 🔑 AnalystsJune 1
HTTP Archive Crawl - 🔑 HA Team3. Validate results
August 15
Query Metrics & Save Results - 🔑 Analysts4. Draft content
September 15
First Draft of Chapter - 🔑 AuthorsOctober 10
Review & Edit Chapter - 🔑 Reviewers & Editors5. Publication
October 15
Chapter Publication (Markdown & PR) - 🔑 AuthorsNovember 1
Launch of 2024 Web Almanac 🚀 - 🔑 Organizing committee6. Virtual conference
November 20
Virtual Conference - 🔑 Content TeamChapter resources
Refer to these 2024 Media resources throughout the content creation process:
📄 Google Docs for outlining and drafting content
🔍 SQL files for committing the queries used during analysis
📊 Google Sheets for saving the results of queries
📝 Markdown file for publishing content and managing public metadata
💻 Collab notebook for collaborative coding in Python - if needed
💬 #web-almanac-media on Slack for team coordination
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