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I'd prefer we link back to d.d.s for all (install/uninstall/upgrade) this instead, what do you think?
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@grahamc I mean, sure, but if this guide is mostly shelling out to d.d.s. for things like that, then its value shrinks even further |
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@grahamc But then I have to really wonder about the mountain of effort involved to make this a useful separate resource |
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@lucperkins Yeah, so I think we're generally aligned on how much is there. It is important to me to be publishing the technical reference parts (like built in functions, language semantics, and CLI utilities) but in general imagine we will stop publishing this document in favor of docs.determinate.systems resources. |
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Approving because it is an improvement, but I would still prefer we direct users to https://docs.determinate.systems/ for install instructions.
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We now see exception beeing thrown when remote building in master because of writing to a non-blocking file descriptor from our json logger. > #0 0x00007f2ea97aea9c in __pthread_kill_implementation () from /nix/store/wn7v2vhyyyi6clcyn0s9ixvl7d4d87ic-glibc-2.40-36/lib/libc.so.6 > #1 0x00007f2ea975c576 in raise () from /nix/store/wn7v2vhyyyi6clcyn0s9ixvl7d4d87ic-glibc-2.40-36/lib/libc.so.6 > #2 0x00007f2ea9744935 in abort () from /nix/store/wn7v2vhyyyi6clcyn0s9ixvl7d4d87ic-glibc-2.40-36/lib/libc.so.6 > #3 0x00007f2ea99e8c2b in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler() [clone .cold] () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #4 0x00007f2ea99f820a in __cxxabiv1::__terminate(void (*)()) () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #5 0x00007f2ea99f8275 in std::terminate() () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #6 0x00007f2ea99f84c7 in __cxa_throw () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #7 0x00007f2eaa5035c2 in nix::writeFull (fd=2, s=..., allowInterrupts=true) at ../unix/file-descriptor.cc:43 > #8 0x00007f2eaa5633c4 in nix::JSONLogger::write (this=this@entry=0x249a7d40, json=...) at /nix/store/4krab2h0hd4wvxxmscxrw21pl77j4i7j-gcc-13.3.0/include/c++/13.3.0/bits/char_traits.h:358 > #9 0x00007f2eaa5658d7 in nix::JSONLogger::logEI (this=<optimized out>, ei=...) at ../logging.cc:242 > #10 0x00007f2ea9c5d048 in nix::Logger::logEI (ei=..., lvl=nix::lvlError, this=0x249a7d40) at /nix/store/a7cq5bqh0ryvnkv4m19ffchnvi8l9qx6-nix-util-2.27.0-dev/include/nix/logging.hh:108 > #11 nix::handleExceptions (programName="nix", fun=...) at ../shared.cc:343 > #12 0x0000000000465b1f in main (argc=<optimized out>, argv=<optimized out>) at /nix/store/4krab2h0hd4wvxxmscxrw21pl77j4i7j-gcc-13.3.0/include/c++/13.3.0/bits/allocator.h:163 > (gdb) frame 10 > #10 0x00007f2ea9c5d048 in nix::Logger::logEI (ei=..., lvl=nix::lvlError, this=0x249a7d40) at /nix/store/a7cq5bqh0ryvnkv4m19ffchnvi8l9qx6-nix-util-2.27.0-dev/include/nix/logging.hh:108 > 108 logEI(ei); So far only drainFD sets the non-blocking flag on a "readable" file descriptor, while this is a "writeable" file descriptor. It's not clear to me yet, why we see logs after that point, but it's also not that bad to handle EAGAIN in read/write functions after all. (cherry picked from commit 2790f5f)
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We now see exception beeing thrown when remote building in master because of writing to a non-blocking file descriptor from our json logger. > #0 0x00007f2ea97aea9c in __pthread_kill_implementation () from /nix/store/wn7v2vhyyyi6clcyn0s9ixvl7d4d87ic-glibc-2.40-36/lib/libc.so.6 > #1 0x00007f2ea975c576 in raise () from /nix/store/wn7v2vhyyyi6clcyn0s9ixvl7d4d87ic-glibc-2.40-36/lib/libc.so.6 > #2 0x00007f2ea9744935 in abort () from /nix/store/wn7v2vhyyyi6clcyn0s9ixvl7d4d87ic-glibc-2.40-36/lib/libc.so.6 > #3 0x00007f2ea99e8c2b in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler() [clone .cold] () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #4 0x00007f2ea99f820a in __cxxabiv1::__terminate(void (*)()) () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #5 0x00007f2ea99f8275 in std::terminate() () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #6 0x00007f2ea99f84c7 in __cxa_throw () from /nix/store/ybjcla5bhj8g1y84998pn4a2drfxybkv-gcc-13.3.0-lib/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > #7 0x00007f2eaa5035c2 in nix::writeFull (fd=2, s=..., allowInterrupts=true) at ../unix/file-descriptor.cc:43 > #8 0x00007f2eaa5633c4 in nix::JSONLogger::write (this=this@entry=0x249a7d40, json=...) at /nix/store/4krab2h0hd4wvxxmscxrw21pl77j4i7j-gcc-13.3.0/include/c++/13.3.0/bits/char_traits.h:358 > #9 0x00007f2eaa5658d7 in nix::JSONLogger::logEI (this=<optimized out>, ei=...) at ../logging.cc:242 > #10 0x00007f2ea9c5d048 in nix::Logger::logEI (ei=..., lvl=nix::lvlError, this=0x249a7d40) at /nix/store/a7cq5bqh0ryvnkv4m19ffchnvi8l9qx6-nix-util-2.27.0-dev/include/nix/logging.hh:108 > #11 nix::handleExceptions (programName="nix", fun=...) at ../shared.cc:343 > #12 0x0000000000465b1f in main (argc=<optimized out>, argv=<optimized out>) at /nix/store/4krab2h0hd4wvxxmscxrw21pl77j4i7j-gcc-13.3.0/include/c++/13.3.0/bits/allocator.h:163 > (gdb) frame 10 > #10 0x00007f2ea9c5d048 in nix::Logger::logEI (ei=..., lvl=nix::lvlError, this=0x249a7d40) at /nix/store/a7cq5bqh0ryvnkv4m19ffchnvi8l9qx6-nix-util-2.27.0-dev/include/nix/logging.hh:108 > 108 logEI(ei); So far only drainFD sets the non-blocking flag on a "readable" file descriptor, while this is a "writeable" file descriptor. It's not clear to me yet, why we see logs after that point, but it's also not that bad to handle EAGAIN in read/write functions after all.
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This was removed in NixOS#11152. However, we need it for the multi-threaded evaluator, because otherwise Boehm GC will crash while scanning the thread stack: #0 GC_push_all_eager (bottom=<optimized out>, top=<optimized out>) at extra/../mark.c:1488 #1 0x00007ffff74691d5 in GC_push_all_stack_sections (lo=<optimized out>, hi=<optimized out>, traced_stack_sect=0x0) at extra/../mark_rts.c:704 #2 GC_push_all_stacks () at extra/../pthread_stop_world.c:876 #3 GC_default_push_other_roots () at extra/../os_dep.c:2893 #4 0x00007ffff746235c in GC_mark_some (cold_gc_frame=0x7ffee8ecaa50 "`\304G\367\377\177") at extra/../mark.c:374 #5 0x00007ffff7465a8d in GC_stopped_mark (stop_func=stop_func@entry=0x7ffff7453c80 <GC_never_stop_func>) at extra/../alloc.c:875 #6 0x00007ffff7466724 in GC_try_to_collect_inner (stop_func=0x7ffff7453c80 <GC_never_stop_func>) at extra/../alloc.c:624 #7 0x00007ffff7466a22 in GC_collect_or_expand (needed_blocks=needed_blocks@entry=1, ignore_off_page=ignore_off_page@entry=0, retry=retry@entry=0) at extra/../alloc.c:1688 #8 0x00007ffff746878f in GC_allocobj (gran=<optimized out>, kind=<optimized out>) at extra/../alloc.c:1798 #9 GC_generic_malloc_inner (lb=<optimized out>, k=k@entry=1) at extra/../malloc.c:193 #10 0x00007ffff746cd40 in GC_generic_malloc_many (lb=<optimized out>, k=<optimized out>, result=<optimized out>) at extra/../mallocx.c:477 #11 0x00007ffff746cf35 in GC_malloc_kind (bytes=120, kind=1) at extra/../thread_local_alloc.c:187 #12 0x00007ffff796ede5 in nix::allocBytes (n=<optimized out>, n=<optimized out>) at ../src/libexpr/include/nix/expr/eval-inline.hh:19 This is because it will use the stack pointer of the coroutine, so it will scan a region of memory that doesn't exist, e.g. Stack for thread 0x7ffea4ff96c0 is [0x7ffe80197af0w,0x7ffea4ffa000) (where 0x7ffe80197af0w is the sp of the coroutine and 0x7ffea4ffa000 is the base of the thread stack). We don't scan coroutine stacks, because currently they don't have GC roots (there is no evaluation happening in coroutines). So there is currently no need to restore the other parts of the original patch, such as BoehmGCStackAllocator.
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This was removed in NixOS#11152. However, we need it for the multi-threaded evaluator, because otherwise Boehm GC will crash while scanning the thread stack: #0 GC_push_all_eager (bottom=<optimized out>, top=<optimized out>) at extra/../mark.c:1488 #1 0x00007ffff74691d5 in GC_push_all_stack_sections (lo=<optimized out>, hi=<optimized out>, traced_stack_sect=0x0) at extra/../mark_rts.c:704 #2 GC_push_all_stacks () at extra/../pthread_stop_world.c:876 #3 GC_default_push_other_roots () at extra/../os_dep.c:2893 #4 0x00007ffff746235c in GC_mark_some (cold_gc_frame=0x7ffee8ecaa50 "`\304G\367\377\177") at extra/../mark.c:374 #5 0x00007ffff7465a8d in GC_stopped_mark (stop_func=stop_func@entry=0x7ffff7453c80 <GC_never_stop_func>) at extra/../alloc.c:875 #6 0x00007ffff7466724 in GC_try_to_collect_inner (stop_func=0x7ffff7453c80 <GC_never_stop_func>) at extra/../alloc.c:624 #7 0x00007ffff7466a22 in GC_collect_or_expand (needed_blocks=needed_blocks@entry=1, ignore_off_page=ignore_off_page@entry=0, retry=retry@entry=0) at extra/../alloc.c:1688 #8 0x00007ffff746878f in GC_allocobj (gran=<optimized out>, kind=<optimized out>) at extra/../alloc.c:1798 #9 GC_generic_malloc_inner (lb=<optimized out>, k=k@entry=1) at extra/../malloc.c:193 #10 0x00007ffff746cd40 in GC_generic_malloc_many (lb=<optimized out>, k=<optimized out>, result=<optimized out>) at extra/../mallocx.c:477 #11 0x00007ffff746cf35 in GC_malloc_kind (bytes=120, kind=1) at extra/../thread_local_alloc.c:187 #12 0x00007ffff796ede5 in nix::allocBytes (n=<optimized out>, n=<optimized out>) at ../src/libexpr/include/nix/expr/eval-inline.hh:19 This is because it will use the stack pointer of the coroutine, so it will scan a region of memory that doesn't exist, e.g. Stack for thread 0x7ffea4ff96c0 is [0x7ffe80197af0w,0x7ffea4ffa000) (where 0x7ffe80197af0w is the sp of the coroutine and 0x7ffea4ffa000 is the base of the thread stack). We don't scan coroutine stacks, because currently they don't have GC roots (there is no evaluation happening in coroutines). So there is currently no need to restore the other parts of the original patch, such as BoehmGCStackAllocator.
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