diff --git a/.changeset/quiet-pans-allow.md b/.changeset/quiet-pans-allow.md
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..55183e75
--- /dev/null
+++ b/.changeset/quiet-pans-allow.md
@@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+---
+"runed": patch
+---
+
+box.readonly perfomance adjustment
diff --git a/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.svelte.ts b/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.svelte.ts
index 8ff08e2a..51e87388 100644
--- a/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.svelte.ts
+++ b/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.svelte.ts
@@ -100,12 +100,12 @@ function boxWith<T>(getter: () => T, setter?: (v: T) => void) {
 
 export type BoxFrom<T> =
 	T extends WritableBox<infer U>
-		? WritableBox<U>
-		: T extends ReadableBox<infer U>
-			? ReadableBox<U>
-			: T extends Getter<infer U>
-				? ReadableBox<U>
-				: WritableBox<T>;
+	? WritableBox<U>
+	: T extends ReadableBox<infer U>
+	? ReadableBox<U>
+	: T extends Getter<infer U>
+	? ReadableBox<U>
+	: WritableBox<T>;
 
 /**
  * Creates a box from either a static value, a box, or a getter function.
@@ -131,16 +131,16 @@ type BoxFlatten<R extends Record<string, unknown>> = Expand<
 		},
 		never
 	> &
-		RemoveValues<
-			{
-				readonly [K in keyof R]: R[K] extends WritableBox<infer _>
-					? never
-					: R[K] extends ReadableBox<infer T>
-						? T
-						: never;
-			},
-			never
-		>
+	RemoveValues<
+		{
+			readonly [K in keyof R]: R[K] extends WritableBox<infer _>
+			? never
+			: R[K] extends ReadableBox<infer T>
+			? T
+			: never;
+		},
+		never
+	>
 > &
 	RemoveValues<
 		{
@@ -192,11 +192,13 @@ function boxFlatten<R extends Record<string, unknown>>(boxes: R): BoxFlatten<R>
  * const count = box(0) // WritableBox<number>
  * const countReadonly = box.readonly(count) // ReadableBox<number>
  */
-function toReadonlyBox<T>(box: ReadableBox<T>): ReadableBox<T> {
+function toReadonlyBox<T>(b: ReadableBox<T>): ReadableBox<T> {
+	if (!box.isWritableBox(b)) return b
+
 	return {
 		[BoxSymbol]: true,
 		get value() {
-			return box.value;
+			return b.value;
 		},
 	};
 }
diff --git a/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.test.svelte.ts b/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.test.svelte.ts
index b86f9517..0b967870 100644
--- a/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.test.svelte.ts
+++ b/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/box.test.svelte.ts
@@ -115,6 +115,33 @@ describe("box.flatten", () => {
 	});
 });
 
+describe("box.readonly", () => {
+	test("box.readonly returns a non-settable box", () => {
+		const count = box(0);
+		const readonlyCount = box.readonly(count);
+
+		function setReadOnlyCount() {
+			// eslint-disable-next-line ts/no-explicit-any
+			(readonlyCount as any).value = 1;
+		}
+
+		expect(setReadOnlyCount).toThrow();
+	});
+
+	test("box.readonly returned box should update with original box", () => {
+		const count = box(0);
+		const readonlyCount = box.readonly(count);
+
+		expect(readonlyCount.value).toBe(0);
+		count.value = 1;
+		expect(readonlyCount.value).toBe(1);
+
+		count.value = 2;
+		expect(readonlyCount.value).toBe(2);
+	});
+});
+
+
 describe("box types", () => {
 	test("box without initial value", () => {
 		const count = box<number>();
@@ -163,28 +190,3 @@ describe("box types", () => {
 	});
 });
 
-describe("box.readonly", () => {
-	test("box.readonly returns a non-settable box", () => {
-		const count = box(0);
-		const readonlyCount = box.readonly(count);
-
-		function setReadOnlyCount() {
-			// eslint-disable-next-line ts/no-explicit-any
-			(readonlyCount as any).value = 1;
-		}
-
-		expect(setReadOnlyCount).toThrow();
-	});
-
-	test("box.readonly returned box should update with original box", () => {
-		const count = box(0);
-		const readonlyCount = box.readonly(count);
-
-		expect(readonlyCount.value).toBe(0);
-		count.value = 1;
-		expect(readonlyCount.value).toBe(1);
-
-		count.value = 2;
-		expect(readonlyCount.value).toBe(2);
-	});
-});
diff --git a/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/new-box.svelte.ts b/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/new-box.svelte.ts
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..f988b324
--- /dev/null
+++ b/packages/runed/src/lib/functions/box/new-box.svelte.ts
@@ -0,0 +1,114 @@
+/* eslint-disable ts/consistent-type-definitions */
+
+import type { Getter, Setter } from "$lib/internal/types.js";
+
+const BoxSymbol = Symbol('box');
+
+interface Box<T> {
+  [BoxSymbol]: true
+  value: T,
+}
+
+interface ReadonlyBox<T> extends Box<T> {
+  readonly value: T,
+}
+
+export function box<T>(): Box<T | undefined>
+export function box<T>(initial: T): Box<T>
+export function box<T>(initial?: T) {
+  let value = $state(initial)
+
+  return {
+    get value() {
+      return value
+    },
+    set value(v) {
+      value = v;
+    },
+    [BoxSymbol]: true
+  }
+}
+
+box.isBox = function isBox<T>(value: unknown): value is Box<T> {
+  return typeof value === 'object' && value !== null && (BoxSymbol in value);
+}
+
+function isWritable<T extends {}>(obj: T, key: keyof T) {
+  const desc = Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptor(obj, key) || {}
+  return Boolean(desc.writable)
+}
+
+box.isReadonly = function boxIsReadonly<T>(value: unknown): value is ReadonlyBox<T> {
+  return box.isBox(value) && !isWritable(value, 'value')
+}
+
+box.isWritable = function boxIsWritable<T>(value: unknown): value is Box<T> {
+  return box.isBox(value) && isWritable(value, 'value')
+}
+
+function boxFrom<T>(value: T): T extends ReadonlyBox<infer _> ? T : Box<T> {
+  // eslint-disable-next-line ts/no-explicit-any -- I'm fucking something up here
+  if (box.isBox(value)) return value as any;
+  // eslint-disable-next-line ts/no-explicit-any
+  return box(value) as any;
+}
+box.from = boxFrom
+
+function boxWith<T>(get: Getter<T>): ReadonlyBox<T>
+function boxWith<T>(get: Getter<T>, set: Setter<T>): Box<T>
+function boxWith<T>(get: Getter<T>, set?: Setter<T>) {
+  const value = $derived.by(get)
+
+  if (set) {
+    return {
+      get value() {
+        return value;
+      },
+      set value(v) {
+        set(v)
+      },
+      [BoxSymbol]: true
+    }
+  } else {
+    return {
+      get value() {
+        return value;
+      },
+      [BoxSymbol]: true
+    }
+  }
+}
+box.with = boxWith
+
+// Usage examples
+function acceptsReadonly(disabled: boolean | ReadonlyBox<boolean>) {
+  const disabledBox = box.from(disabled);
+  // @ts-expect-error -- testing
+  disabledBox.value = false
+  if (box.isWritable(disabledBox)) {
+    disabledBox.value = true
+  }
+}
+
+function acceptsMutable(disabled: boolean | Box<boolean>) {
+  const disabledBox = box.from(disabled);
+  disabledBox.value = false
+}
+
+let disabled = $state(false);
+
+acceptsReadonly(
+  box.with(() => disabled)
+);
+
+acceptsReadonly(
+  box(false)
+);
+
+acceptsMutable(
+  box.with(() => disabled, (v) => disabled = v)
+)
+
+acceptsMutable(
+  box(false)
+)
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