Organic Maps
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I use an electric vehicle (car) often and especially for out station trips, I need to know how much range the car will give. This often depends on the ground elevation changes (if they are significant). Just like we get the elevation profile in walking routing, it'll be helpful to get the same in (electric) car navigation. Old reference here. Related to EVs, it'll be helpful if charger nodes show more information like type of charging connector, number of connectors, brand/operator of charger, rate of charging etc. (below tags).
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How I trip plan: If OrganicMaps had customized icons, distance indicator (similar to FreeRoam) for finding overnight stops, and ability to create and save trips from waypoint/bookmarks to create a .gpx thus becoming my one-stop-shop for both trip planning and offline map use, I wouldn't have to spend so much time finding and/or importing waypoints from other apps in order to create trips for navigating. |
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Thanks for the details!
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I miss the "trail of crumbs" feature (showing the track of the previous positions you have been, of the previous hours or days). For me it's very useful in areas that you don't know or are not used to. In fact, in my last trip, I brougth to life my last Nuvi 2455 (with OSM maps and POI alerts), and it worked much better than phones (I also carry 2 android phones simultaneously, one with OM and the other with Waze) and the Nuvi was more precise and faster showing the real position, and calculating the routes (distances of 500-1000km). Another interesting feature in the nuvi is the "Search along the route", when you are in routing mode, with a destination and route already selected, it allow you to find e.g. a fuel station or a restaurant close to the chosen route. I didn't used so much, because I prefer to plan in advance, but it saved my *** several times, when I had to get out of the plan. |
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Searching for objects along the route works now in driving navigation mode. Recent (24h) track recording works on iOS, and is planned for Android too. |
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Some roads in Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Iran are often restricted by the "odd-even policy", which restricts odd-number vehicles to enter certain roads on even-numbered dates and vice versa. For example, in Jakarta, Indonesia, these restrictions apply except on Saturday, Sunday, public holidays, or:
It would be nice to have this feature built-in for route-planning, but unfortunately, the OSM communities currently don't have an agreement yet to standardize these tags. There's one forum thread on https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/50754/conditional-restrictions-for-accessing-specific-streets-based-on-odd-even-weekdays-and-cars-license-plate-numbers, but as always, there is not enough traction yet to implement this feature. |
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Sometimes it takes awhile to recalculate a route especially if I close Organic Maps and reopen it after awhile (like planning a long roadtrip route in advance, or taking a rest stop at a gas station, or staying at a motel.) It's gotten faster lately, but the ability to save a precalculated route for later and then tweak it as plans change (maybe modifying waypoints or changing toll vs non-toll) could be useful. Then I just open up my phone and load or resume the route. To be clear however this is priority 5 for me after:
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Hey that’s a great idea of using something like openaddresses.io to do address searches. It kind of reminds you of how DNS works. You put in a website name and the DNS server converts it. Can openaddresses.io be similarly used? You put in a physical address and openaddresses.io converts it into longitudinal and latitudinal values and returns that to the original program that called it? Question: Can you manually do a search In Organic Maps using longitudinal and latitudinal values? If so why can’t a service like openaddresses.io be called up to do all of the grunt work stuff? |
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Type coordinates in OM's search. Supported formats are displayed in the place page when you select any object (tap to change format). OM works offline. Using online services may not be suitable in all cases (privacy, no internet, expensive roaming). |
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openaddresses.io data can be downloaded as a whole instead of doing an online lookup. That could be processed into the mapfile directly or work like another dataset the mapping/searching engine refers to. Adding an additional set of addresses requires being able to switch sources on/off and/or comparing them to avoid unnecessary duplicates. I'm a fan of attaching an address to a building/parcel instead of just putting a node in there when there are not multiple addresses within. Would be nice to be able to enable/disable it for openstreetmap mappers though people doing everyday navigation would not care as much. |
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The trickiest part is how to filter out duplicates from different sources, and reuse the database conveniently for the search. And what to do if the user presses the Edit button. |
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I'd expect duplicates to not be easy to properly do. Comparing different sources node vs node could be to default to whatever we put higher trust in: osm, newest date, etc. If it is area vs area, a building in a parcel rather than the parcel itself is probably what the user prefers to 'navigate to' though the search could present if the lookup was an otherwise unpurposed node, building, door, parcel, etc. I'd recommend duplicate filtering take place before the map was even made. |
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I use Waze for the crowdsourcing traffic prediction part. It helps when travelling to know how to plan ahead for traffic on a different day. |
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For a trip, especially long ones, saving the precalculated route would help a lot. Also importing routes from other "trip planners", maybe gpx format. This would save a lot of time when resuming the trip after stopping in a cafe or fuel station. Calculating a route of 1000kms or more takes a very long time, and it shouldn't change much from the route calculated before starting the trip. Another good feature could be that you could search for cafe/restaurants or fuel stations along the route every x km or hours. And a feature that i miss from my old garmin nuvi is a trip log, recording the location/speed data every x seconds. It's very useful for a later analysis of the trip. |
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One feature that I would love? Being able to see all of the little things that could slow down my trip. I’m talking about traffic lights on a route… Everybody seems to be hung up on traffic signals that have cameras. I’d like to be able to see traffic signals in the first place before I even left on a trip. Most trip planning in maps in general gets hung up on shortest or quickest routes. Nobody remembers that there is another, the simplest route. And one way to do it is to be following the age old army saying of “Keep it simple stupid”. The more complicated you make something the more chances it’s going to get screwed up. The best way to avoid traffic light cameras is to avoid traffic lights in the first place whenever you can. I just wish all OpenStreetMaps permanently showed traffic signals by default, not just when you were already driving a route. If when you were setting in your motel room and the fog was literally so thick you couldn’t cut it with a knife. I’d like to be able to see all of the traffic lights on my route in advance. Not show up until I was literally under it and about to t-bone a semi Its following Ben Franklins old “A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” |
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I use Komoot to plan bicycle trips. Some of the features that I find useful are:
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When routing it could be nice to have an opinion to take detours to sights on way to your destination |
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Just any sights? Can it be solved by drawing an alternate "sights preferred" route in addition to the main one? |
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It would be really useful if you could add which vignettes you have. Then OM would only calculate routes which you don't need an extra fee for, and tell you which vignette to buy if there's a shorter road with extra fees. |
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Interesting, which country requires so many vignettes? |
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I only know for sure in Hungary. We have an annual per-county vignette option. OM could handle this and always use the highways in the counties you have a vignette for, even when avoid tolls is turned on. |
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I basically just want to find solutions to limitations that bug most of the software based on OpenStreetMaps. Be it OsmAnd, Maps.Me, or organic Maps they all have limitations on the the maximum distance that they can handle when planning a route. I would like to see ways / workarounds for planning a long route. You try to plan a long trip from New York City, to Los Angeles and either they take forever to the point you think it’s hung up or the program simply flat out crashes. Rather than adding tons of new features concentrate on getting core features bug free. One way of planning a long route would simply try to find ways of breaking the task down into smaller easier to handle chunks. Rather than trying throw a huge task at the program in one massive gulp are there ways of simplifying the task? Rather than trying to make organic maps try to plan a 3,000 mile trip add waypoints. Rather than just trying to make the program go from A to B 3,000 miles apart. Find a way of getting it to go thru A, B, C, D, E, and F. Where A is New York City, and F is Seattle, Washington. The waypoints could basically be a day’s drive apart. OpenStreetMaps based software would plan a route from waypoint to waypoint and then string them together. |
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The only thing that I still have problems with is trying to manually download the maps I might need in the future. I tried downloading a couple of them in the past thinking that I could just download them and then use the iOS files app to transfer them into the location organic maps used. I was just spoiled from my old Microsoft DOS days thinking that it would be simple. |
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Why do you need to manually download them outside the app? Download maps in the app directly instead. |
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It would totally make Organic Maps truly 100% offline and totally independent of needing the Internet. That would make it totally useful anywhere on the planet. All you would need was your device and an external storage device to keep an archive of all of the maps that you would ever need. Internet totally down due to a hurricane and you forgot about downloading Alabama, or Georgia before you evacuated Miami? No sweat just transfer them over from the USB device or USB based CD-ROM. I’m still a firm believer in any port in a storm. |
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Please see relevant issues, for example, #1801 |
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For iOS, you can copy the whole maps folder from the app/to the app using Finder. Direct Mac/PC download is possible from https://cdn.organicmaps.app/mirrors/ |
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Something nice about Magic Earth is that it tells you which street to take. It translates to something like: "Turn right/left on the 3rd street" or "Take the second opportunity left" |
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There is already work in progress about it. It is not related to the topic of trip planning. |
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I can again only speak for the Hungarian version: The TTS instructions could have accentuation. Currently, it speaks really fast and says: "TURN right" instead of "turn RIGHT" |
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Please create a new issue (or update a relevant existing one). This thread is about planning. |
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People, please stick to the topic. The question here is about how to improve trips planning, nothing else. For bug reports and other ideas please use the appropriate channels. At the moment we have two tools for planning: bookmarks and lists of bookmarks. These are great. For a trip I normally create a new list ("France holiday") and store bookmarks of places I want to visit in that list. To improve that we could have a routing-by-list function. It should assume that you are on a trip and one list is related to that current trip. The user selects a list as "current trip". After that all bookmarks from that list are highlighted on the map. The app remembers which bookmarks from the list you have already visited. When you click a trip-routing button it presents the list's bookmarks. The nearest bookmark at which you have not been is presented first. I hope you get my point. Lists can be used for planning and during the trip we would need a convenient function to work with such a list. |
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I like doing things like using the map itself to choose starting and ending points when I wanted to discover just how long it's going to take me to drive between two points. It helps me to get a handle if I'm driving to a certain point could I get there before dark. I just love using the program that way to help with getting estimates on trip distances and times, it really helps me with trips planning in the first place. It's so so true that you can make so much better time on the interstate. I used the maps point to point trip planning for estimating a trip from my home to a point in Birmingham, Alabama once. I discovered that staying on the interstate only took 3 minutes longer than taking the most direct route between the two points. I wound up being a lot better rested when I got to my destination. Just set the cruise control on 70 and set back... Using the point to point system made Organic Maps very very useful and extremely easy to use. What would make using it even easier to use? Simply use it and be able to add stopover points between your starting and ending points. Most of the other internet based mapping sites allows for the setting of points between your starting and ending points. It helps you get more consistent control of the software routes that it's providing. One feature option that OsmAnd has that would help make organic maps more useful is the prefer motorways option. You would be able to make the routing keep you on major interstates and highways for as much as possible. Nobody wants to be forced into a two lane road for 90 minutes when they could have stayed on the interstate for roughly same length of time. |
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But you already can add intermediate stops. Build a route, select any point, and then press "add stop" at the bottom bar. |
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The biggest problem I have with OM is the automatic zoom in/out when navigating. This is something that I see is working quite well in Google Maps, Waze, even iGO:
These and other related scenarios are very confusing and distracting when driving, and can potentially cause enough distraction to be dangerous, when attempting to figure out when and where to turn. |
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This thread is not about issues during navigation (please check existing ones or create a new one if necessary), but about the trip planning. |
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I usually only plan a trip on Organic Maps to see which way I should go, and then I don't look at it (because I ride a bike and I prefer looking at the road). So I have to zoom at the maximum on every street that OM indicates I shoud take to see its name. It would be really helpful to see the names of the streets of the planned trip written and highlighted without having to zoom endlessly. |
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Button to switch direction (or some other option to reorder the waypoints) would be nice. |
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I agree in other apps the waypoints are just that waypoints or intermediate points on your route. Seems like in organic Maps they're places to visit. In other apps they're intermediate points or control points. It's modifiers that help to control your routing. It's literally like telling it to start route at A, route thru B, C, D, and then finish at E. Where B thru D were places where you needed to take a turn onto a different road. In other apps once you added A and E you could add B, C, and D. You could drag and drop the waypoints in any order via simply by pressing on them and literally dragging them into another place in the listing. Only three waypoints is simply not enough for route planning. The waypoints in Organic Maps are more like for vacation planning. IE stop at Joes Crab Shack for lunch... |
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The reorder option does exist, although currently it’s buried and hard to find. |
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Hi Alexander, I read https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/pull/3447Do I understand right, that you don’t want the user to choose, if the App weights the shortest or the fastest route higher? Is this the reason why I don‘t find an option to choose between?Is it correct, you want your algorithm to choose for the user, because you don’t want to make the option menu to big? Or do I misunderstand anything?For me it would be useful to have the option to choose between fastest and shortest route. Thank you very muchKind regardsLupo Am 16.07.2023 um 23:40 schrieb Alexander Borsuk ***@***.***>:
Thank you! Did you see #1183 ?
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No, you did not understand it right. We plan to implement at least the fastest and shortest alternate routes and some more. Without any additional user actions. The only thing that stops us is the lack of resources. So donate and spread the word! |
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It’s customary in most road planning apps to only offer a shorter or quicker trip times. In recent years with the cost of fuel going up and up sometimes they also take into consideration the most fuel efficient route? Maybe Organic Maps can Support this by taking into consideration the topography of a route in to the time and distance. They already have some of this information in the OSM data. That’s to a point how they can plan walking and biking routes. But what I see in Google Maps the FER routes don’t seem to differ very much from the quickest routes.Maybe in future trip planning when using the quickest routes overall topography could be taken into account. I see this as being much more efficient out west. The shortest route isn’t much fun when you’re constantly climbing, and descending really steep grades and hauling a long RV… Fuel efficiency quickly goes in the tank…. Is the terrain data in organic mats enough to make this viable?Sent from my iPadOn Jul 22, 2023, at 6:45 PM, lupolupp ***@***.***> wrote:
Hi Alexander, I read https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/pull/3447Do I understand right, that you don’t want the user to choose, if the App weights the shortest or the fastest route higher? Is this the reason why I don‘t find an option to choose between?Is it correct, you want your algorithm to choose for the user, because you don’t want to make the option menu to big? Or do I misunderstand anything?For me it would be useful to have the option to choose between fastest and shortest route. Thank you very muchKind regardsLupo Am 16.07.2023 um 23:40 schrieb Alexander Borsuk ***@***.***>:
Thank you! Did you see #1183 ?
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I use https://bikerouter.de for route planning; so it would be great if organic map could use an imported gpx file as basis for navigation |
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tracked in #1360 |
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if guiding along the gpx-track is not possible a perspective view of the map like during navigation with showing the actual position on the bottom of the screen would be sufficient for me... |
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I agree having a perspective view in normal map mode would be very helpful. Organic Maps is useful for longer driving routes when I want to go on specific roads. I import a track made using Garmin Basecamp to follow, but it would be nice to have the perspective view to be able to see further ahead for when junctions are coming up. At the moment the perspective view in settings has no effect in map view. |
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Fixing Wikipedia extract bugs would help a lot. pie-in-sky request but for cycling trip planning ability to see surface data would be nice |
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What are Wikipedia extract bugs? What should be fixed? There is https://github.com/organicmaps/wikiparser/ |
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some articles seem missing what may be result of #3478 if it is not expected, then I can report it once I spot it again |
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I'm planning a trip, and was doing like i always do, went to a car travelers site, "ruta0", and then remember this topic, because i think this kind of simplified interface can improve OM. The output of the "Roadmap" in ruta0 is an appropiate summary of the bigger towns and cities you will find in your route, including travel time and distance. (Alojamiento translate to hotels, you click on that and it searches hotels in that city)
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My Idea is to add the option to avoid secondary Highways without cycle ways (for bicycle routing) or without pedestrians ways (for pedestrians routing) see here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsecondary Best Regards, Daniel |
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Hello hello :) I'm doing small trips with my bike every year, about 1000 km. I carry heavy stuff like most bikers to be autonomous so the profile of the road is very important. To do planning, here is the tools I need
Hope this list help ? |
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I hike large multi-day hikes, and for that I would love to see distance markers on an imported GPS track. Ideally, a dynamic distance marker which changes according to zoom level is best, say from 50km down to 25/10/5/1 km markers depending on zoom level. The marker can be a small dot, in which the total distance from the start of the route is printed. Love the app! |
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For sightseeing in cities I create a set of bookmarks to display them in the map and figure out a route. For this use case I would like to have the labels of the bookmarks displayed in the map to directly see where the points to visit are. The list of bookmarks I create with this website https://www.geoplaner.de/ download the list and import it into organic maps. So far I use the iOS app „GPX viewer 2“ for this purpose. But its functionality is rather limited. |
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For driving with a car that has a lower limit than the roads allow, for example an legal limit for a trailer, or a physical limit of an older camper for example, it would be great to say: hey, I can only drive 90km/h max, so please take that into account with the estimated total time. Not many apps have this, and it would be so nice to have a better estimate. Especially if your for example driving on roads in Germany, that allow for 130km/h, but you have a trailer that restricts you to 80km/h |
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Please update the related #1507 |
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Sorry, I should have searched better. |
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Normally, when I plan a trip, I know, where i want to go. But often not when. |
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What does it mean "load them when I need them"? Are you planning to save a route, and then hide it, and then unhide again when you need to see it on the map? |
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No, I dont need to hide anything. I just want so save, edit and delete routes in favorites. And give it a senseful name. |
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My biggest issue with planning bike rides and hikes is that OM doesn't show "areas". When I'm just browsing an area (so not starting a turn by turn navigation), I often miss the small gate icons (if they are there at all). So looking at paths/roads in OM gotten me into university campuses, a restaurant's seating area, allotments, a stable / horse riding school, a zoo, a private vineyard. |
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#Emails&Reviews |
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Please share how you are planning your trips now and what could help you to save time and make it very easy.
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