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| 1 | +# OpenJS Foundation Cross Project Council Meeting 2019-08-13 |
| 2 | + |
| 3 | +## Links |
| 4 | + |
| 5 | +* **Recording**: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQB5e_cGn8 |
| 6 | +* **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/286 |
| 7 | + |
| 8 | +## Present |
| 9 | + |
| 10 | +* Joe Sepi (@joesepi) |
| 11 | +* Chris Hiller (@boneskull) |
| 12 | +* Manil Chowdhury (@keywordnew) |
| 13 | +* Kris Borchers (@kborchers) |
| 14 | +* Jory Burson (@jorydotcom) |
| 15 | +* Mike Dolan (@mkdolan) |
| 16 | +* Christian Bromann (@bromann) |
| 17 | +* Dave Methvin (@dmethvin) |
| 18 | +* Sendil Kumar (@sendilkumarn) |
| 19 | +* Tierney Cyren |
| 20 | +* Rachel Romoff (@rromoff) |
| 21 | +* Abraham Jr. Agiri (@codeekage) |
| 22 | +* Even Stensberg (@evenstensberg) |
| 23 | +* Timmy Willison (@timmywil) |
| 24 | +* Myles Borins (@mylesborins) |
| 25 | + |
| 26 | +## Agenda |
| 27 | + |
| 28 | +### Announcements |
| 29 | + |
| 30 | +*Extracted from **cross-project-council-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **openjs-foundation org** prior to the meeting. |
| 31 | + |
| 32 | +* standards group meeting today in ~ 2 hours |
| 33 | + |
| 34 | +### openjs-foundation/cross-project-council |
| 35 | + |
| 36 | +* jQuery project infrastructure [#285](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/285) |
| 37 | + |
| 38 | +- DM: trying to start a discussion about infra in general, but also with JQ we could use a refresh and get someone with some expertise to lend a hand here. See linked public issue on jQ repo (#319 test swarm). Most help has come from 2-3 people but they aren’t experts in the work that needs to be done. Is there a way we can have a pool of people who can help set up CI/CD systems? |
| 39 | +- JS: looking for related infra in general issue that someone started a while ago. Should we set up an infra working group. |
| 40 | +- JB: also we have a slack |
| 41 | +- DM: we have the resources, but we don’t seem to always have the people with the expertise. |
| 42 | +- JS/JB: Consider starting an infra working group for the OpenJS to give support for projects across the org |
| 43 | +- TC: we should make sure the group has a deliverable/goal, like group’s purpose is to “make a plan” etc. |
| 44 | +- MB: I want to caution that people to carry the water is the issue. Even if we get a group who will talk about it but can’t do the work that’s a risk. |
| 45 | +-DM: If it was easy to find these people, the work would be done already. It would be good from a foundation standpoint to come up with a policy about what our response should be. |
| 46 | +-KB: the board is discussing infra in general for projects. Understanding everything that’s there and what can be offered. As well as looking at the former jQ/JSF issues. |
| 47 | +-DM: does a resolution need to be reached there before the CPC acts? |
| 48 | +-KB: I don’t think so. I think this group would figure out what is needed. The board would need to make budget decisions. |
| 49 | +-MB: from Node’s perspective this is a convo that’s gone back and forth for a bit. Our build team is a place where we don’t have as many people as we want. There’s definitely convo about whether we should bring in hired labor to manage infra. We don’t have a ton of bandwidth to invest in expanding infra. |
| 50 | +-DM: some of this is legacy. I’m also sensitive to paying some people but not other people. Maybe some folks could do it in exchange for some recognition. |
| 51 | +-MB: If we pay people to be on call, that could free volunteers to move forward. Maybe use contractors to execute. Maybe we could collaborate with the CICD foundation / etc. |
| 52 | +-DM: it is causing some stress for the team and we don’t have the people to solve it ourselves |
| 53 | + |
| 54 | +AI: continue convo in #infra, JB to look into scheduling Infra WG meeting |
| 55 | + |
| 56 | +* adds a draft charter template [#279](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/pull/279) |
| 57 | + |
| 58 | +- JB: Awaiting MDawson review, will be sending this to Andy Updegrove for legal review per last week conversation. Mike Dolan can help route to Andy if that would help. |
| 59 | + |
| 60 | +AI: No action; awaiting review. |
| 61 | + |
| 62 | +* doc: swapping refs to TAC with CPC [#275](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/pull/275) |
| 63 | + |
| 64 | +- Board will need to approve, but this is errata. |
| 65 | +- MD: email board, ask for approval via email. |
| 66 | +- JS: I think this was done. Do we need an official vote? |
| 67 | +-MD: will take this offline with MB if this is getting hung up. |
| 68 | + |
| 69 | +AI: MD & MB to follow up |
| 70 | + |
| 71 | +* ELI5: project charters [#207](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/207) |
| 72 | + |
| 73 | +AI: Issue closed. |
| 74 | + |
| 75 | +* Maintainers vs. Governing Body [#289](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/289) |
| 76 | + |
| 77 | +AI: Need someone to open a PR to add these clarifications |
| 78 | + |
| 79 | +* Checklists Templates |
| 80 | +[#288](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/288) |
| 81 | + |
| 82 | +- MB/JS: should we add other templates to decrease friction, for example: add regular members, add new proposals, etc. |
| 83 | +-JS: Duplicate data (checklist in 2 places); update new project application to link to issue template. |
| 84 | + |
| 85 | +AI: JS taking action item to get this process started. |
| 86 | + |
| 87 | +* Proposal to lift Node.js Code & Learn to CPC level |
| 88 | +[#287](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/287) |
| 89 | + |
| 90 | +TC: we should make sure Rich and Ana have been looped in because this has been more ‘their project’ vs node official project and we shouldn’t appropriate it. |
| 91 | +CB: I will make sure to get that. |
| 92 | +JB: see also https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/242 |
| 93 | +JS: we need TSC/CommComm approval first. Need issue open in admin repo. |
| 94 | + |
| 95 | +AI: JS to create/ping this issue on the TSC/CommComm/Admin front. |
| 96 | + |
| 97 | +* Post-Bootstrap work to be managed by CPC [#115](https://github.com/openjs-foundation/cross-project-council/issues/115) |
| 98 | + |
| 99 | +- Travel Fund Proposal: was highlighted in recent comm comm meeting. nodejs/admin issue #398, no conversation there as well. Will check to see if there has been any conversation at the TSC level. |
| 100 | + |
| 101 | +- Add entry point for new projects on Readme. #261 - See PR #290 and review |
| 102 | + |
| 103 | +- Reports Process #160. Currently working through the proposal flow. PR #271 has comments but not sure if they have all been addressed. Looking for more approvals for Stage 1. |
| 104 | + |
| 105 | + |
| 106 | +## Q&A, Other |
| 107 | + |
| 108 | +## Upcoming Meetings |
| 109 | + |
| 110 | +* **Calendar**: https://nodejs.org/calendar |
| 111 | + |
| 112 | +Click `+GoogleCalendar` at the bottom right to add to your own Google calendar. |
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