Node.js Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting 2023-10-25

[mhdawson]

Time

UTC Wed 25-Oct-2023 15:00 (03:00 PM):

Timezone	Date/Time
US / Pacific	Wed 25-Oct-2023 08:00 (08:00 AM)
US / Mountain	Wed 25-Oct-2023 09:00 (09:00 AM)
US / Central	Wed 25-Oct-2023 10:00 (10:00 AM)
US / Eastern	Wed 25-Oct-2023 11:00 (11:00 AM)
EU / Western	Wed 25-Oct-2023 16:00 (04:00 PM)
EU / Central	Wed 25-Oct-2023 17:00 (05:00 PM)
EU / Eastern	Wed 25-Oct-2023 18:00 (06:00 PM)
Moscow	Wed 25-Oct-2023 18:00 (06:00 PM)
Chennai	Wed 25-Oct-2023 20:30 (08:30 PM)
Hangzhou	Wed 25-Oct-2023 23:00 (11:00 PM)
Tokyo	Thu 26-Oct-2023 00:00 (12:00 AM)
Sydney	Thu 26-Oct-2023 02:00 (02:00 AM)

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Links

• Minutes Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ji5ErS2ccp4ZFiJattlCT1_qMQMVcAQI-xIgxS7JiL4/edit

Agenda

Extracted from tsc-agenda labelled issues and pull requests from the nodejs org prior to the meeting.

nodejs/node

• navigator object breaks projects in v21.0.0 #50269
• test: set test-fs-watch as flaky #50250
• Revert "doc: promote fetch/webstreams from experimental to stable" #49867
• tools: add package-lock when installing npm dependency #49747
• The env var NODE_V8_COVERAGE intermittently causes the process to hang #49344
• Support for file-system based persistent code cache in user-land module loaders #47472

nodejs/TSC

• Amir From OSTIF: Discuss Node.js Security Audit #1454
  • covered last week

nodejs/admin

• Have a mascot #828 (At end Private update from Foundation Staff)
• Create nodejs/socket repository for Node.js implementation of Cloudflare's Socket API #826

Invited

• Antoine du Hamel @aduh95 (voting member)
• Yagiz Nizipli @anonrig (voting member)
• Anatoli Papirovski @apapirovski (voting member)
• Benjamin Gruenbaum @benjamingr (voting member)
• Ruben Bridgewater @BridgeAR (voting member)
• Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (voting member)
• Geoffrey Booth @GeoffreyBooth (voting member)
• Gireesh Punathil @gireeshpunathil (voting member)
• James Snell @jasnell (voting member)
• Joyee Cheung @joyeecheung (voting member)
• Chengzhong Wu @legendecas (voting member)
• Matteo Collina @mcollina (voting member)
• Michael Dawson @mhdawson (voting member)
• Moshe Atlow @MoLow (voting member)
• Rafael Gonzaga @RafaelGSS (voting member)
• Darshan Sen @RaisinTen (voting member)
• Richard Lau @richardlau (voting member)
• Robert Nagy @ronag (voting member)
• Ruy Adorno @ruyadorno (voting member)
• Michaël Zasso @targos (voting member)
• Tobias Nießen @tniessen (voting member)
• Rich Trott @Trott (voting member)
• Beth Griggs @BethGriggs (regular member)
• Ben Noordhuis @bnoordhuis (regular member)
• Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (regular member)
• Shelley Vohr @codebytere (regular member)
• Daniel Bevenius @danbev (regular member)
• Danielle Adams @danielleadams (regular member)
• Franziska Hinkelmann @fhinkel (regular member)
• Gabriel Schulhof @gabrielschulhof (regular member)
• Brian White @mscdex (regular member)
• Myles Borins @MylesBorins (regular member)
• Rod Vagg @rvagg (regular member)
• Tiancheng Timothy Gu @TimothyGu (regular member)

Observers/Guests

Notes

The agenda comes from issues labelled with tsc-agenda across all of the repositories in the nodejs org. Please label any additional issues that should be on the agenda before the meeting starts.

Joining the meeting

Zoom link: https://zoom.us/j/611357642
Regular password

Public participation

We stream our conference call straight to YouTube so anyone can listen to it live, it should start playing at https://www.youtube.com/c/nodejs+foundation/live when we turn it on. There's usually a short cat-herding time at the start of the meeting and then occasionally we have some quick private business to attend to before we can start recording & streaming. So be patient and it should show up.

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[mhdawson]

Adding this to agenda as well -#1459

[Uzlopak]

Regarding navigator I wanted to add following aspect to be considered:

The MDN is not a reliable source regarding the deprecation of the navigator properties. They only mark it as deprecated in the MDN because they can not mark something as "avoid as best as you can".

Also some properties are not spec compliant to return an empty string. See e.g. whatwg/html#7762

Even Typescript considers the deprecation of e.g. navigator.platform as a bug:
microsoft/TypeScript#49683

See also for more insights regarding the inability to mark navigator properties in MDN as "avoid at all costs" and thus following back to mark them as deprecated.
mdn/content#14429

Also the part of whatwg and its test suite:
https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt/blob/72e06c82933e9d324881b756a3fc48a3cac1c09d/workers/interfaces/WorkerUtils/navigator

[mhdawson]

PR for minutes - #1460