diff --git a/Pythonwin/pywin/debugger/debugger.py b/Pythonwin/pywin/debugger/debugger.py
index 72b9cf2dc4..370b19bebd 100644
--- a/Pythonwin/pywin/debugger/debugger.py
+++ b/Pythonwin/pywin/debugger/debugger.py
@@ -818,14 +818,12 @@ def _dump_frame_(self, frame, name=None):
             print(repr(name), "None")
 
     def set_trace(self):
-        # Start debugging from _2_ levels up!
-        try:
-            1 + ""
-        except:
-            frame = sys.exc_info()[2].tb_frame.f_back.f_back
+        frames = traceback.walk_stack(sys._getframe())
+        # Start debugging from _1_ level up!
+        next(frames)
         self.reset()
         self.userbotframe = None
-        while frame:
+        for frame, i in frames:
             # scriptutils.py creates a local variable with name
             # '_debugger_stop_frame_', and we don't go past it
             # (everything above this is Pythonwin framework code)
@@ -835,7 +833,6 @@ def set_trace(self):
 
             frame.f_trace = self.trace_dispatch
             self.botframe = frame
-            frame = frame.f_back
         self.set_step()
         sys.settrace(self.trace_dispatch)
 
diff --git a/com/win32comext/axdebug/debugger.py b/com/win32comext/axdebug/debugger.py
index d0585b9b6f..c16d6d92be 100644
--- a/com/win32comext/axdebug/debugger.py
+++ b/com/win32comext/axdebug/debugger.py
@@ -151,11 +151,8 @@ def __init__(self, interfaceMaker=None, processName=None):
         self.pydebugger.AttachApp(self.app, contProvider)
 
     def Break(self):
-        # Get the frame we start debugging from - this is the frame 1 level up
-        try:
-            1 + ""
-        except:
-            frame = sys.exc_info()[2].tb_frame.f_back
+        # Get the frame we start debugging from
+        frame = traceback.tb_frame if (traceback := sys.exc_info()[2]) else None
 
         # Get/create the debugger, and tell it to break.
         self.app.StartDebugSession()
diff --git a/com/win32comext/axdebug/stackframe.py b/com/win32comext/axdebug/stackframe.py
index 16994715cb..b825fda199 100644
--- a/com/win32comext/axdebug/stackframe.py
+++ b/com/win32comext/axdebug/stackframe.py
@@ -3,6 +3,8 @@
 Provides Implements a nearly complete wrapper for a stack frame.
 """
 
+import traceback
+
 import pythoncom
 
 from . import axdebug, expressions, gateways
@@ -19,9 +21,8 @@ class EnumDebugStackFrames(gateways.EnumDebugStackFrames):
 
     def __init__(self, debugger):
         infos = []
-        frame = debugger.currentframe
         # print("Stack check")
-        while frame:
+        for frame, i in traceback.walk_stack(debugger.currentframe):
             # print(" Checking frame", frame.f_code.co_filename, frame.f_lineno-1, frame.f_trace)
             # Get a DebugCodeContext for the stack frame.  If we fail, then it
             # is not debuggable, and therefore not worth displaying.
@@ -44,7 +45,6 @@ def __init__(self, debugger):
             #     print("- Kept!")
             # else:
             #     print("- rejected")
-            frame = frame.f_back
 
         gateways.EnumDebugStackFrames.__init__(self, infos, 0)