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Ability for server admins to acquire privileges in arbitrary rooms to resolve power struggles (SPEC-159) #67
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Jira watchers: @erikjohnston @ara4n |
I believe the use case here is that there is currently a public room #newhere:matrix.org that we want to close and redirect current and future participants to #matrix:matrix.org instead. One way to do this would be to set the topic to something constructive and increase the power level required to send events. However, this requires ops privileges in the room, which Matthew doesn't have. |
Its worth noting that servers can (theoretically) locally close rooms by 403'ing all attempts to post into that room from local clients and ignoring incoming events from federation. This would allow server admins to post a message to the room and then close it (without any changes to the spec.) |
Drawbacks to matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#3: You won't be able to manage rooms on your server that you did not create (or created before you decided to turn on server admins.) Only works for public rooms, unless you also explicitly allow server admins the ability to join any room. Remote users are required to trust the server admins of the server that created the room - at any point those admins could decide to be malicious and e.g. kick everyone out of the room. This sounds like one of those things that could be a major turn off to people, and thus discourage servers from implementing this to avoid being seen as "bad." |
I always wanted to be an IRC op. Given the constraints of such a closed system (you can only connect your server with the permission of other ops), it is a viable option. However, especially if we are talking about global op privileges, it's a no-go for Matrix. That would mean that whenever I want to gain extra power level in, say, #matrix:matrix.org all I have to do is connecting my own HS to the mesh, and do the server admin stuff necessary to gain that privilege. It might come in handy locally is special cases, but globally it's dangerous. |
Server admins currently have access to:
However, there are use cases for at least:
a) Redacting messages (both locally and globally)
b) Acquiring powerlevel in rooms in order to sort out problems
c) Injecting messages into a room
d) Overriding state in a room (updating topics; kicking users; etc)
Possible solutions include:
Right now, matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#4 is the most practical option for solving our current problem of cleaning up orphaned garbage rooms on matrix.org's HS.
In future, matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#3 seems like the best solution to make this more manageable in the longer term.
matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals#2 is useful too, but doesn't really solve the actual problem we were considering here - it'd only help us inject a local message saying "you're in the wrong place" which is visible only to non-federated users, which is of questionable value for cleaning up security messes.
(Imported from https://matrix.org/jira/browse/SPEC-159)
(Reported by @ara4n)
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