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Question about temporal coherence #20

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magdamd opened this issue Jul 4, 2024 · 1 comment
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Question about temporal coherence #20

magdamd opened this issue Jul 4, 2024 · 1 comment

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@magdamd
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magdamd commented Jul 4, 2024

I have a question regarding the temporal coherence that characterises ROMEO.
Does it make sense to use ROMEO with the temporal coherence ON for a set of images that consists of a FLASH image and a EPI image?

And in that case what are the echo times that should be passed? I would guess the following times

  • for the FLASH: the time from the RF pulse until half of the 1st readout
  • for the EPI: the time from the RF pulse until half of the whole sequence train (when half the k-space has been acquired)
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I'm assuming you mean the phasegradientcoherence weight
This is a difficult question. In the ideal setting, it would make sense, but I'm no sure for real datasets:
If there would be no artefacts in the flash and epi images, then the phase should be phi0 + B0 * TE. The temporal coherence (phase gradient coherence) compares the phase gradients of both time points adjusted by TE. The gradient calculation removes the phi0, so that wouldn't be a problem with EPI and FLASH.
I think mainly artefacts and geometric distortions between both acquisitions would be a problem.

Yes, I would pass the effective echo time of both sequences. The phase gradients might be especially sensitive to the higher frequencies. That could mean that the outer k-space regions in EPI are more important here, but hard to say.

I think you would need to test it and see if it improves or worsens the result.

Another point: If you use temporal 4D unwrapping together on these two datasets, there might be problems with differing phi0 (phase offsets). Temporal 4D unwrapping assumes the phase proportional to B0 * TE, which means the phase offsets are removed prior. However, it doesn't immediately fail, if this is not perfectly fulfilled.

I hope this helps!

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