diff --git a/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/compare_wer_general.sh b/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/compare_wer_general.sh
index 88dde1ff0e2..c709e351e1e 100755
--- a/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/compare_wer_general.sh
+++ b/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/compare_wer_general.sh
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ for n in 0 1 2 3; do
    for x in $*; do
      set_names $x  # sets $dirname and $epoch_infix
      decode_names=(dev${epoch_infix} dev${epoch_infix}_rescore test${epoch_infix} test${epoch_infix}_rescore)
-     wer=$(grep Sum $dirname/decode_${decode_names[$n]}/score*/*ys | utils/best_wer.sh | awk '{print $2}')
+     wer=$(grep WER $dirname/decode_${decode_names[$n]}/wer_* | utils/best_wer.sh | awk '{print $2}')
      printf "% 10s" $wer
    done
    echo
@@ -64,7 +64,7 @@ for n in 0 1 2 3; do
      for x in $*; do
        set_names $x  # sets $dirname and $epoch_infix
        decode_names=(dev${epoch_infix} dev${epoch_infix}_rescore test${epoch_infix} test${epoch_infix}_rescore)
-       wer=$(grep Sum $dirname/decode_looped_${decode_names[$n]}/score*/*ys | utils/best_wer.sh | awk '{print $2}')
+       wer=$(grep WER $dirname/decode_looped_${decode_names[$n]}/wer_* | utils/best_wer.sh | awk '{print $2}')
        printf "% 10s" $wer
      done
      echo
diff --git a/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/run_tdnn.sh b/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/run_tdnn.sh
new file mode 120000
index 00000000000..d48449e28bd
--- /dev/null
+++ b/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/run_tdnn.sh
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+tuning/run_tdnn_1c.sh
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/run_tdnnf.sh b/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/run_tdnnf.sh
deleted file mode 120000
index 61f8f499182..00000000000
--- a/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/run_tdnnf.sh
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1 +0,0 @@
-tuning/run_tdnn_1b.sh
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/tuning/run_tdnn_1c.sh b/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/tuning/run_tdnn_1c.sh
new file mode 100755
index 00000000000..faac365af54
--- /dev/null
+++ b/egs/tedlium/s5_r3/local/chain/tuning/run_tdnn_1c.sh
@@ -0,0 +1,249 @@
+#!/bin/bash
+
+# This is copied from tedlium/s5_r2/local/chain/tuning/run_tdnn_1g.sh setup, and it replaces the current run_tdnn_1b.sh script. 
+
+# local/chain/compare_wer_general.sh exp/chain_cleaned/tdnnf_1b exp/chain_cleaned/tdnnf_1c
+# System                 tdnnf_1b  tdnnf_1c
+# WER on dev(orig)           8.15      8.03
+# WER on dev(rescored)       7.69      7.44
+# WER on test(orig)          8.19      8.30
+# WER on test(rescored)      7.77      7.85
+# Final train prob        -0.0692   -0.0669
+# Final valid prob        -0.0954   -0.0838
+# Final train prob (xent)   -0.9369   -0.9596
+# Final valid prob (xent)   -1.0730   -1.0780
+# Num-params                25741728   9463968
+
+
+# steps/info/chain_dir_info.pl exp/chain_cleaned/tdnnf_1b/
+# exp/chain_cleaned/tdnnf_1b/: num-iters=945 nj=2..6 num-params=25.7M dim=40+100->3664 combine=-0.074->-0.071 (over 6) xent:train/valid[628,944,final]=(-1.07,-0.959,-0.937/-1.20,-1.10,-1.07) logprob:train/valid[628,944,final]=(-0.088,-0.070,-0.069/-0.111,-0.098,-0.095)
+# steps/info/chain_dir_info.pl exp/chain_cleaned/tdnnf_1c
+# exp/chain_cleaned/tdnn1c/: num-iters=228 nj=3..12 num-params=9.5M dim=40+100->3664 combine=-0.068->-0.068 (over 4) xent:train/valid[151,227,final]=(-1.15,-0.967,-0.960/-1.25,-1.09,-1.08) logprob:train/valid[151,227,final]=(-0.090,-0.068,-0.067/-0.102,-0.05,-0.084)
+
+## how you run this (note: this assumes that the run_tdnn.sh soft link points here;
+## otherwise call it directly in its location).
+# by default, with cleanup:
+# local/chain/run_tdnn.sh
+
+# without cleanup:
+# local/chain/run_tdnn.sh  --train-set train --gmm tri3 --nnet3-affix "" &
+
+set -e -o pipefail
+
+# First the options that are passed through to run_ivector_common.sh
+# (some of which are also used in this script directly).
+stage=0
+nj=15
+decode_nj=15
+xent_regularize=0.1
+dropout_schedule='0,0@0.20,0.5@0.50,0'
+
+train_set=train_cleaned
+gmm=tri3_cleaned  # the gmm for the target data
+num_threads_ubm=1
+nnet3_affix=_cleaned  # cleanup affix for nnet3 and chain dirs, e.g. _cleaned
+
+# The rest are configs specific to this script.  Most of the parameters
+# are just hardcoded at this level, in the commands below.
+train_stage=-10
+tree_affix=  # affix for tree directory, e.g. "a" or "b", in case we change the configuration.
+tdnn_affix=1c  #affix for TDNN directory, e.g. "a" or "b", in case we change the configuration.
+common_egs_dir=  # you can set this to use previously dumped egs.
+remove_egs=true
+
+# End configuration section.
+echo "$0 $@"  # Print the command line for logging
+
+. ./cmd.sh
+. ./path.sh
+. ./utils/parse_options.sh
+
+
+if ! cuda-compiled; then
+  cat <<EOF && exit 1
+This script is intended to be used with GPUs but you have not compiled Kaldi with CUDA
+If you want to use GPUs (and have them), go to src/, and configure and make on a machine
+where "nvcc" is installed.
+EOF
+fi
+
+local/nnet3/run_ivector_common.sh --stage $stage \
+                                  --nj $nj \
+                                  --train-set $train_set \
+                                  --gmm $gmm \
+                                  --num-threads-ubm $num_threads_ubm \
+                                  --nnet3-affix "$nnet3_affix"
+
+
+gmm_dir=exp/$gmm
+ali_dir=exp/${gmm}_ali_${train_set}_sp
+tree_dir=exp/chain${nnet3_affix}/tree_bi${tree_affix}
+lat_dir=exp/chain${nnet3_affix}/${gmm}_${train_set}_sp_lats
+dir=exp/chain${nnet3_affix}/tdnn${tdnn_affix}_sp
+train_data_dir=data/${train_set}_sp_hires
+lores_train_data_dir=data/${train_set}_sp
+train_ivector_dir=exp/nnet3${nnet3_affix}/ivectors_${train_set}_sp_hires
+
+
+for f in $gmm_dir/final.mdl $train_data_dir/feats.scp $train_ivector_dir/ivector_online.scp \
+    $lores_train_data_dir/feats.scp $ali_dir/ali.1.gz $gmm_dir/final.mdl; do
+  [ ! -f $f ] && echo "$0: expected file $f to exist" && exit 1
+done
+
+if [ $stage -le 14 ]; then
+  echo "$0: creating lang directory with one state per phone."
+  # Create a version of the lang/ directory that has one state per phone in the
+  # topo file. [note, it really has two states.. the first one is only repeated
+  # once, the second one has zero or more repeats.]
+  if [ -d data/lang_chain ]; then
+    if [ data/lang_chain/L.fst -nt data/lang/L.fst ]; then
+      echo "$0: data/lang_chain already exists, not overwriting it; continuing"
+    else
+      echo "$0: data/lang_chain already exists and seems to be older than data/lang..."
+      echo " ... not sure what to do.  Exiting."
+      exit 1;
+    fi
+  else
+    cp -r data/lang data/lang_chain
+    silphonelist=$(cat data/lang_chain/phones/silence.csl) || exit 1;
+    nonsilphonelist=$(cat data/lang_chain/phones/nonsilence.csl) || exit 1;
+    # Use our special topology... note that later on may have to tune this
+    # topology.
+    steps/nnet3/chain/gen_topo.py $nonsilphonelist $silphonelist >data/lang_chain/topo
+  fi
+fi
+
+if [ $stage -le 15 ]; then
+  # Get the alignments as lattices (gives the chain training more freedom).
+  # use the same num-jobs as the alignments
+  steps/align_fmllr_lats.sh --nj 100 --cmd "$train_cmd" ${lores_train_data_dir} \
+    data/lang $gmm_dir $lat_dir
+  rm $lat_dir/fsts.*.gz # save space
+fi
+
+if [ $stage -le 16 ]; then
+  # Build a tree using our new topology.  We know we have alignments for the
+  # speed-perturbed data (local/nnet3/run_ivector_common.sh made them), so use
+  # those.
+  if [ -f $tree_dir/final.mdl ]; then
+    echo "$0: $tree_dir/final.mdl already exists, refusing to overwrite it."
+    exit 1;
+  fi
+  steps/nnet3/chain/build_tree.sh --frame-subsampling-factor 3 \
+      --context-opts "--context-width=2 --central-position=1" \
+      --cmd "$train_cmd" 4000 ${lores_train_data_dir} data/lang_chain $ali_dir $tree_dir
+fi
+
+if [ $stage -le 17 ]; then
+  mkdir -p $dir
+
+  echo "$0: creating neural net configs using the xconfig parser";
+
+  num_targets=$(tree-info $tree_dir/tree |grep num-pdfs|awk '{print $2}')
+  learning_rate_factor=$(echo "print 0.5/$xent_regularize" | python)
+  affine_opts="l2-regularize=0.008 dropout-proportion=0.0 dropout-per-dim-continuous=true"
+  tdnnf_opts="l2-regularize=0.008 dropout-proportion=0.0 bypass-scale=0.66"
+  linear_opts="l2-regularize=0.008 orthonormal-constraint=-1.0"
+  prefinal_opts="l2-regularize=0.008"
+  output_opts="l2-regularize=0.002"
+
+  mkdir -p $dir/configs
+  cat <<EOF > $dir/configs/network.xconfig
+  input dim=100 name=ivector
+  input dim=40 name=input
+
+  # please note that it is important to have input layer with the name=input
+  # as the layer immediately preceding the fixed-affine-layer to enable
+  # the use of short notation for the descriptor
+  fixed-affine-layer name=lda input=Append(-1,0,1,ReplaceIndex(ivector, t, 0)) affine-transform-file=$dir/configs/lda.mat
+
+  # the first splicing is moved before the lda layer, so no splicing here
+  relu-batchnorm-dropout-layer name=tdnn1 $affine_opts dim=1024
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf2 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=1
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf3 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=1
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf4 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=1
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf5 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=0
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf6 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf7 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf8 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf9 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf10 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf11 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf12 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  tdnnf-layer name=tdnnf13 $tdnnf_opts dim=1024 bottleneck-dim=128 time-stride=3
+  linear-component name=prefinal-l dim=256 $linear_opts
+
+  prefinal-layer name=prefinal-chain input=prefinal-l $prefinal_opts big-dim=1024 small-dim=256
+  output-layer name=output include-log-softmax=false dim=$num_targets $output_opts
+
+  prefinal-layer name=prefinal-xent input=prefinal-l $prefinal_opts big-dim=1024 small-dim=256
+  output-layer name=output-xent dim=$num_targets learning-rate-factor=$learning_rate_factor $output_opts
+EOF
+  steps/nnet3/xconfig_to_configs.py --xconfig-file $dir/configs/network.xconfig --config-dir $dir/configs/
+
+fi
+
+if [ $stage -le 18 ]; then
+  if [[ $(hostname -f) == *.clsp.jhu.edu ]] && [ ! -d $dir/egs/storage ]; then
+    utils/create_split_dir.pl \
+     /export/b0{5,6,7,8}/$USER/kaldi-data/egs/ami-$(date +'%m_%d_%H_%M')/s5/$dir/egs/storage $dir/egs/storage
+  fi
+
+ steps/nnet3/chain/train.py --stage $train_stage \
+    --cmd "$decode_cmd" \
+    --feat.online-ivector-dir $train_ivector_dir \
+    --feat.cmvn-opts "--norm-means=false --norm-vars=false" \
+    --chain.xent-regularize $xent_regularize \
+    --chain.leaky-hmm-coefficient 0.1 \
+    --chain.l2-regularize 0.0 \
+    --chain.apply-deriv-weights false \
+    --chain.lm-opts="--num-extra-lm-states=2000" \
+    --trainer.dropout-schedule $dropout_schedule \
+    --trainer.add-option="--optimization.memory-compression-level=2" \
+    --egs.dir "$common_egs_dir" \
+    --egs.opts "--frames-overlap-per-eg 0 --constrained false" \
+    --egs.chunk-width 150,110,100 \
+    --trainer.num-chunk-per-minibatch 64 \
+    --trainer.frames-per-iter 5000000 \
+    --trainer.num-epochs 6 \
+    --trainer.optimization.num-jobs-initial 3 \
+    --trainer.optimization.num-jobs-final 12 \
+    --trainer.optimization.initial-effective-lrate 0.00025 \
+    --trainer.optimization.final-effective-lrate 0.000025 \
+    --trainer.max-param-change 2.0 \
+    --cleanup.remove-egs $remove_egs \
+    --feat-dir $train_data_dir \
+    --tree-dir $tree_dir \
+    --lat-dir $lat_dir \
+    --dir $dir
+fi
+
+
+
+if [ $stage -le 19 ]; then
+  # Note: it might appear that this data/lang_chain directory is mismatched, and it is as
+  # far as the 'topo' is concerned, but this script doesn't read the 'topo' from
+  # the lang directory.
+  utils/mkgraph.sh --self-loop-scale 1.0 data/lang $dir $dir/graph
+fi
+
+if [ $stage -le 20 ]; then
+  rm $dir/.error 2>/dev/null || true
+  for dset in dev test; do
+      (
+      steps/nnet3/decode.sh --num-threads 4 --nj $decode_nj --cmd "$decode_cmd" \
+          --acwt 1.0 --post-decode-acwt 10.0 \
+          --online-ivector-dir exp/nnet3${nnet3_affix}/ivectors_${dset}_hires \
+          --scoring-opts "--min-lmwt 5 " \
+         $dir/graph data/${dset}_hires $dir/decode_${dset} || exit 1;
+      steps/lmrescore_const_arpa.sh --cmd "$decode_cmd" data/lang data/lang_rescore \
+        data/${dset}_hires ${dir}/decode_${dset} ${dir}/decode_${dset}_rescore || exit 1
+    ) || touch $dir/.error &
+  done
+  wait
+  if [ -f $dir/.error ]; then
+    echo "$0: something went wrong in decoding"
+    exit 1
+  fi
+fi
+exit 0