Add rendering for tourism=gallery

[moliha]

In 'Map Features', tourism=gallery has this explanation:

Art galleries are a popular visitor attraction

but no icon
worse: even if the gallery has been given a name, nothing is shown

So, even though galleries are popular attractions, they are invisible on the map.

[matthijsmelissen]

They have overlap with shop=art and shop=museum, is the tag welldefined?

[moliha]

In 'Map Features', shop=art is defined as:
"A private art gallery which sells works of art."
So, there is some overlap here. But many galleries do not sell the works, so these galleries are not shops but exhibitions.

I don't think we have shop=museum, but we do have tourism=museum. That is also an exhibition, so we could have some overlap here too. But in my mind, museums are mostly larger and for (permanent) display of older things of many kinds - galleries are smaller and for changing exhibitions of newer works of art.

In my home town (Odense in Denmark) we have several galleries that are definitely not shops and not museums - and several museums that are definitely not galleries. I want to display these galleries - but it is not possible now - so tourists may not find them.

I think the tag is welldefined enough that rendering as 'gallery' would be very useful.

[matthijsmelissen]

But in my mind, museums are [... ] for (permanent) display of older things of many kind

This might be a language/culture thing, but in the Netherlands there are many museums showing changing exhibitions of contemporary art.

[moliha]

Ok then - for now, I have two options for galleries:

• using tourism=museum - even though to many (but not all) it would be a misnomer.
• using tourism=attraction - the generic tag - in order to make at least the name visible.

For the (near) future, could not specific tourism tags without an icon be rendered with the name, like tourism=attraction? - or be rendered with a generic icon (and the name) in the same way that many shops are handled?

Invisible attractions are not useful.
Named generic attractions are better
Named attractions with specific icons are best.

When we zoom down, more icons and names are shown, but at the lowest levels (z18 - z19) very little information is shown on any screen. Why not show all icons and names at the lowest levels?

[matkoniecz]

@math1985

They have overlap with shop=art and shop=museum, is the tag welldefined?

As @dieterdreist noted in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Art_gallery#Voting - no.

I think this is pointless, as there are already shop=art for galleries and tourism=museum for galleries which do not sell. Create a subtag for museums (e.g. museum:theme=art_gallery) if you want to tell that it is explicitly for art work. I also don't agree that those are "for tourists". Given all that, "gallery" is not clear at all, and tourism doesn't help either to define that it is an "art gallery"

Tag passed voting, fortunately usage is quite low[1]. I think that it should not be rendered.

[1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=tourism&value=gallery - 1026 worldwide, usually mistagged shop=art (at least in Poland).

[matthijsmelissen]

In England, there seems to be a stronger distinction between art galleries and museums than in continental Europe, so from that perspective I think the tag somehow makes sense.

But apart from that, we already have a huge amount of discussion in this repository, which is good but also makes it hard for the maintainers to follow (and participate) in everything. I really would not like to increase the amount of discussion even more, so I think we should not concern ourselves with tagging discussions here.

As far as I'm concerned, the people at the tagging mailing list have made a decision, so we shouldn't dismiss rendering this tag with the argument that it's bad tagging. Anyone who disagrees with the tagging scheme is free to re-open the discussion on the tagging mailing list.

[dieterdreist]

Am 16.03.2015 um 19:22 schrieb math1985 [email protected]:

In England, there seems to be a stronger distinction between art galleries and museums than in continental Europe, so from that perspective I think the tag somehow makes sense.

yes, but it highly misleading because even in the English world (eg the U.S.) the term gallery refers to different kind of objects. Without the "art" the tag is ambiguous anyway, and tourism seems a bad choice for an object whose main purpose is preservation and education

[pnorman]

As far as I'm concerned, the people at the tagging mailing list have made a decision, so we shouldn't dismiss rendering this tag with the argument that it's bad tagging. Anyone who disagrees with the tagging scheme is free to re-open the discussion on the tagging mailing list.

I've only ever considered the wiki a secondary source for tagging info - at best.

[kocio-pl]

This scheme is being currently discussed on Tagging list, if somebody is still interested in this topic.

I've only ever considered the wiki a secondary source for tagging info - at best.

As far as I remember you tend to rely on the database content, but I find it very limited, since we would loose the meaning. Of course, we could find general, common sense meaning (like "museum", "gallery", "art" or "shop"), but we could not decide which is preferred, because in real life these objects can be expressed in many ways. Wiki is very useful tool to show the preferred scheme for given object, defining its scope (database itself can't do it at all) and showing coherent "extensions" of the basic scheme (like "name", "operator" or "ref" - in db all these are just separate tags without connection to others).

[pnorman]

Given the relatively low usage, lack of PRs, and lack of interest I'm going to close this issue.

[Adamant36]

This looks like it has 4798 uses now and is fairly well defined. So it might be worth revisiting. If so and @Tomasz-W or someone else wants to come up with an icon for it I would be willing to do a pull request for it.

[Tomasz-W]

What about re-use of amenity=arts_centre icon in amenity-brown?

https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/symbols/shop/art.svg

[Tomasz-W]

@kocio-pl As it has almost 5k uses now, can we re-open this issue and try to add an icon for it?

[Adamant36]

@Tomasz-W, since its been re-opened do you want to come up with an icon or should we test the one for amenity=arts_centre in brown?

[Tomasz-W]

@Adamant36 re-use of amenity=arts_centre.