diff --git a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/cluster/get_clusters_from_request.js b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/cluster/get_clusters_from_request.js
index fc571dac19b0f..446ae302b0956 100644
--- a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/cluster/get_clusters_from_request.js
+++ b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/cluster/get_clusters_from_request.js
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ import { flagSupportedClusters } from './flag_supported_clusters';
 import { getMlJobsForCluster } from '../elasticsearch';
 import { getKibanasForClusters } from '../kibana';
 import { getLogstashForClusters } from '../logstash';
-import { getPipelines } from '../logstash/get_pipelines';
+import { getPipelines, logstashPipelineWithoutPipelineFieldsExists } from '../logstash/get_pipelines';
 import { getBeatsForClusters } from '../beats';
 import { alertsClustersAggregation } from '../../cluster_alerts/alerts_clusters_aggregation';
 import { alertsClusterSearch } from '../../cluster_alerts/alerts_cluster_search';
@@ -123,6 +123,7 @@ export async function getClustersFromRequest(req, indexPatterns, { clusterUuid,
   // add logstash data
   const logstashes = await getLogstashForClusters(req, lsIndexPattern, clusters);
 
+  const resp = await logstashPipelineWithoutPipelineFieldsExists(req, lsIndexPattern);
   const clusterPipelineNodesCount = await getPipelines(req, lsIndexPattern, ['logstash_cluster_pipeline_nodes_count']);
 
   // add the logstash data to each cluster
@@ -130,7 +131,7 @@ export async function getClustersFromRequest(req, indexPatterns, { clusterUuid,
     const clusterIndex = findIndex(clusters, { cluster_uuid: logstash.clusterUuid });
 
     // withhold LS overview stats until pipeline metrics have at least one full bucket
-    if (logstash.clusterUuid === req.params.clusterUuid && clusterPipelineNodesCount.length === 0) {
+    if (logstash.clusterUuid === req.params.clusterUuid && clusterPipelineNodesCount.length === 0 && !resp) {
       logstash.stats = {};
     }
 
diff --git a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_logstash_for_clusters.js b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_logstash_for_clusters.js
index 0bd527523ad7d..00680d852fa6b 100644
--- a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_logstash_for_clusters.js
+++ b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_logstash_for_clusters.js
@@ -125,6 +125,11 @@ export function getLogstashForClusters(req, lsIndexPattern, clusters) {
               size: config.get('xpack.monitoring.max_bucket_size')
             }
           },
+          with_no_pipeline: {
+            missing: {
+              field: 'logstash_stats.pipelines.id',
+            },
+          },
           pipelines_nested: {
             nested: {
               path: 'logstash_stats.pipelines'
@@ -186,6 +191,7 @@ export function getLogstashForClusters(req, lsIndexPattern, clusters) {
         const aggregations = get(result, 'aggregations', {});
         const logstashUuids =  get(aggregations, 'logstash_uuids.buckets', []);
         const logstashVersions = get(aggregations, 'logstash_versions.buckets', []);
+        const withoutPipelineField = get(aggregations, 'with_no_pipeline.doc_count', 0);
 
         // everything is initialized such that it won't impact any rollup
         let eventsInTotal = 0;
@@ -212,7 +218,7 @@ export function getLogstashForClusters(req, lsIndexPattern, clusters) {
             avg_memory: memory,
             avg_memory_used: memoryUsed,
             max_uptime: maxUptime,
-            pipeline_count: get(aggregations, 'pipelines_nested.pipelines.value', 0),
+            pipeline_count: get(aggregations, 'pipelines_nested.pipelines.value', 0) + withoutPipelineField ? 1 : 0,
             queue_types: getQueueTypes(get(aggregations, 'pipelines_nested.queue_types.buckets', [])),
             versions: logstashVersions.map(versionBucket => versionBucket.key)
           }
diff --git a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_pipelines.js b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_pipelines.js
index 8cec101477ecf..70b9ebc94b03a 100644
--- a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_pipelines.js
+++ b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/logstash/get_pipelines.js
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
  * you may not use this file except in compliance with the Elastic License.
  */
 
-import { cloneDeep, last, omit } from 'lodash';
+import { cloneDeep, last, omit, get } from 'lodash';
 import { checkParam } from '../error_missing_required';
 import { getMetrics } from '../details/get_metrics';
 
@@ -52,6 +52,12 @@ export function _handleResponse(response) {
   return pipelines;
 }
 
+export async function logstashPipelineWithoutPipelineFieldsExists(req, logstashIndexPattern) {
+  const metricResponse = await getMetrics(req, logstashIndexPattern, ['logstash_cluster_no_pipelines_count']);
+  const noPipelinesCount = get(metricResponse, 'logstash_cluster_no_pipelines_count', []);
+  return noPipelinesCount.reduce((acc, { data }) =>  acc || data.some(([_a, b]) => b === true), false);
+}
+
 export async function processPipelinesAPIResponse(response, throughputMetricKey, nodesCountMetricKey) {
   // Clone to avoid mutating original response
   const processedResponse = cloneDeep(response);
diff --git a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/classes.js b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/classes.js
index dade736cd53f8..8c025673c03b5 100644
--- a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/classes.js
+++ b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/classes.js
@@ -346,6 +346,24 @@ export class LogstashPipelineThroughputMetric extends LogstashMetric {
   }
 }
 
+export class LogstashPipelineNodeWithoutPipelineCountMetric extends LogstashMetric {
+  constructor(opts) {
+    super({
+      ...opts,
+      derivative: false
+    });
+
+    this.dateHistogramSubAggs = {
+      with_no_pipeline: {
+        missing: {
+          field: 'logstash_stats.pipelines.id',
+        },
+      }
+    };
+    this.calculation = bucket => !!_.get(bucket, 'with_no_pipeline.doc_count', undefined);
+  }
+}
+
 export class LogstashPipelineNodeCountMetric extends LogstashMetric {
   constructor(opts) {
     super({
@@ -354,6 +372,11 @@ export class LogstashPipelineNodeCountMetric extends LogstashMetric {
     });
 
     this.dateHistogramSubAggs = {
+      with_no_pipeline: {
+        missing: {
+          field: 'logstash_stats.pipelines.id',
+        },
+      },
       pipelines_nested: {
         nested: {
           path: 'logstash_stats.pipelines'
diff --git a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/metrics.js b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/metrics.js
index a87f79533da3b..bd9a15530689e 100644
--- a/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/metrics.js
+++ b/x-pack/plugins/monitoring/server/lib/metrics/logstash/metrics.js
@@ -13,7 +13,8 @@ import {
   LogstashMetric,
   LogstashPipelineQueueSizeMetric,
   LogstashPipelineThroughputMetric,
-  LogstashPipelineNodeCountMetric
+  LogstashPipelineNodeCountMetric,
+  LogstashPipelineNodeWithoutPipelineCountMetric
 } from './classes';
 import {
   LARGE_FLOAT,
@@ -341,6 +342,17 @@ export const metrics = {
     format: LARGE_FLOAT,
     units: ''
   }),
+  logstash_cluster_no_pipelines_count: new LogstashPipelineNodeWithoutPipelineCountMetric({
+    field: 'logstash_stats.logstash.uuid',
+    label: i18n.translate('xpack.monitoring.metrics.logstashInstance.pipelinesWithoutIdCountLabel', {
+      defaultMessage: 'Pipeline Without ID'
+    }),
+    description: i18n.translate('xpack.monitoring.metrics.logstashInstance.pipelinesWithoutIdCountDescription', {
+      defaultMessage: 'Denotes whether an instance is logging a pipeline without later pipeline fields.'
+    }),
+    format: LARGE_FLOAT,
+    units: ''
+  }),
   logstash_node_pipeline_nodes_count: new LogstashPipelineNodeCountMetric({
     uuidField: 'logstash_stats.logstash.uuid', // TODO: add comment explaining why
     field: 'logstash_stats.logstash.uuid',