diff --git a/plugins/platforms/discord/adapter.py b/plugins/platforms/discord/adapter.py
index b2befc242baa..25808bad7e7a 100644
--- a/plugins/platforms/discord/adapter.py
+++ b/plugins/platforms/discord/adapter.py
@@ -3014,13 +3014,18 @@ async def send(
 
             if reply_to and self._reply_to_mode != "off":
                 try:
-                    ref_msg = await channel.fetch_message(int(reply_to))
-                    if hasattr(ref_msg, "to_reference"):
-                        reference = ref_msg.to_reference(fail_if_not_exists=False)
-                    else:
-                        reference = ref_msg
-                except Exception as e:
-                    logger.debug("Could not fetch reply-to message: %s", e)
+                    # Build the reference from ids — no fetch_message round
+                    # trip. Discord resolves message_reference from the ids
+                    # alone, and fail_if_not_exists=False keeps sends to
+                    # deleted targets working exactly as the fetched form did.
+                    reference = discord.MessageReference(
+                        message_id=int(reply_to),
+                        channel_id=getattr(channel, "id", None),
+                        guild_id=getattr(getattr(channel, "guild", None), "id", None),
+                        fail_if_not_exists=False,
+                    )
+                except (ValueError, TypeError) as e:
+                    logger.debug("Could not build reply-to reference: %s", e)
 
             for i, chunk in enumerate(chunks):
                 if self._reply_to_mode == "all":
@@ -3261,7 +3266,7 @@ async def edit_message(
             channel = self._client.get_channel(int(chat_id))
             if not channel:
                 channel = await self._client.fetch_channel(int(chat_id))
-            msg = await channel.fetch_message(int(message_id))
+            msg = channel.get_partial_message(int(message_id))
             formatted = self.format_message(content)
 
             _preview_key = (str(chat_id), str(message_id))
@@ -3401,6 +3406,16 @@ async def _edit_overflow_split(
                     reference = prev_msg.to_reference(fail_if_not_exists=False)
                 except Exception:
                     reference = None
+            elif getattr(prev_msg, "id", None):
+                # PartialMessage has no to_reference — build it from ids so
+                # overflow continuations stay threaded (edit_message uses
+                # get_partial_message, no fetch round trip).
+                reference = discord.MessageReference(
+                    message_id=prev_msg.id,
+                    channel_id=getattr(channel, "id", None),
+                    guild_id=getattr(getattr(channel, "guild", None), "id", None),
+                    fail_if_not_exists=False,
+                )
             try:
                 sent = await channel.send(content=chunk, reference=reference)
             except Exception as send_err:
@@ -3699,13 +3714,16 @@ async def send_voice(
             reference = None
             if reply_to and self._reply_to_mode != "off":
                 try:
-                    ref_msg = await channel.fetch_message(int(reply_to))
-                    if hasattr(ref_msg, "to_reference"):
-                        reference = ref_msg.to_reference(fail_if_not_exists=False)
-                    else:
-                        reference = ref_msg
-                except Exception as e:
-                    logger.debug("Could not fetch voice reply-to message: %s", e)
+                    # ids-only reference — same no-fetch rationale as the
+                    # text reply path.
+                    reference = discord.MessageReference(
+                        message_id=int(reply_to),
+                        channel_id=getattr(channel, "id", None),
+                        guild_id=getattr(getattr(channel, "guild", None), "id", None),
+                        fail_if_not_exists=False,
+                    )
+                except (ValueError, TypeError) as e:
+                    logger.debug("Could not build voice reply-to reference: %s", e)
 
             with open(audio_path, "rb") as f:
                 file_data = f.read()
diff --git a/tests/gateway/test_discord_edit_message_overflow.py b/tests/gateway/test_discord_edit_message_overflow.py
index 92705e5f7e78..7408946945e4 100644
--- a/tests/gateway/test_discord_edit_message_overflow.py
+++ b/tests/gateway/test_discord_edit_message_overflow.py
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ async def fake_send(*, content, reference=None):
 
     channel = SimpleNamespace(
         id=555,
-        fetch_message=AsyncMock(return_value=original_msg),
+        get_partial_message=MagicMock(return_value=original_msg),
         send=AsyncMock(side_effect=fake_send),
     )
     adapter._client = SimpleNamespace(
@@ -290,3 +290,25 @@ def test_ignores_non_length_50035(self):
         err = RuntimeError("error code: 50035: Cannot reply to a system message")
         assert DiscordAdapter._is_length_overflow_error(err) is False
 
+
+
+class TestPartialMessageContinuationReferences:
+    """When the edit target is a PartialMessage (no to_reference — the
+    no-fetch edit path), overflow continuations must still thread: the
+    adapter builds the reference from ids instead of silently dropping it."""
+
+    @pytest.mark.asyncio
+    async def test_continuations_threaded_with_ids_built_reference(self):
+        adapter = _make_adapter()
+        partial = SimpleNamespace(id=42, edit=AsyncMock())  # no to_reference
+        channel, sends = _wire_channel(adapter, original_msg=partial)
+
+        long_text = "chunk alpha " * 600  # > MAX_MESSAGE_LENGTH
+        result = await adapter.edit_message("555", "42", long_text, finalize=True)
+
+        assert result.success is True
+        assert len(sends) >= 1, "overflow should send continuations"
+        for call in sends:
+            assert call["reference"] is not None, (
+                "continuation lost its reply reference — the ids-built "
+                "fallback for PartialMessage regressed")
diff --git a/tests/gateway/test_discord_reply_mode.py b/tests/gateway/test_discord_reply_mode.py
index b6917255a805..61b347e5c698 100644
--- a/tests/gateway/test_discord_reply_mode.py
+++ b/tests/gateway/test_discord_reply_mode.py
@@ -82,15 +82,12 @@ def _make_discord_adapter(reply_to_mode: str = "first"):
     config = PlatformConfig(enabled=True, token="test-token", reply_to_mode=reply_to_mode)
     adapter = DiscordAdapter(config)
 
-    # Mock the Discord client and channel.
-    # ref_message.to_reference() → a distinct sentinel: the adapter now wraps
-    # the fetched Message via to_reference(fail_if_not_exists=False) so a
-    # deleted target degrades to "send without reply chip" instead of a 400.
+    # Mock the Discord client and channel. Reply references are built from
+    # ids via discord.MessageReference — no fetch round trip — so the
+    # harness only needs a send() capture; the auto-attribute covers the
+    # fetch_message.assert_not_called() assertions below.
     mock_channel = AsyncMock()
-    ref_message = MagicMock()
     ref_reference = MagicMock(name="MessageReference")
-    ref_message.to_reference = MagicMock(return_value=ref_reference)
-    mock_channel.fetch_message = AsyncMock(return_value=ref_message)
 
     sent_msg = MagicMock()
     sent_msg.id = 42
@@ -100,7 +97,6 @@ def _make_discord_adapter(reply_to_mode: str = "first"):
     mock_client.get_channel = MagicMock(return_value=mock_channel)
 
     adapter._client = mock_client
-    # Return the reference sentinel alongside so tests can assert identity.
     adapter._test_expected_reference = ref_reference
     return adapter, mock_channel, ref_reference
 
@@ -135,6 +131,23 @@ async def test_single_chunk_off_mode(self):
         assert calls[0].kwargs.get("reference") is None
 
 
+    @pytest.mark.asyncio
+    async def test_first_mode_constructs_reference_without_fetch(self):
+        """Pin: replies build the MessageReference from ids — no
+        fetch_message round trip. Fails pre-fix, which fetched the target
+        just to call to_reference() on it."""
+        adapter, channel, _ = _make_discord_adapter("first")
+        adapter.truncate_message = lambda content, max_len, **kw: ["chunk1", "chunk2"]
+
+        await adapter.send("12345", "test content", reply_to="999")
+
+        channel.fetch_message.assert_not_called()
+        calls = channel.send.call_args_list
+        assert len(calls) == 2
+        assert calls[0].kwargs.get("reference") is not None  # first chunk
+        assert calls[1].kwargs.get("reference") is None      # later chunks
+
+
 class TestConfigSerialization:
     """Tests for reply_to_mode serialization (shared with Telegram)."""
 
@@ -281,3 +294,24 @@ def test_top_level_takes_precedence_over_extra(self, tmp_path, monkeypatch):
         load_gateway_config()
 
         assert os.environ.get("DISCORD_REPLY_TO_MODE") == "all"
+
+
+class TestVoiceReplyReference:
+    """send_voice builds its reply reference from ids too — same no-fetch
+    pin as the text path (construction happens before the file read)."""
+
+    @pytest.mark.asyncio
+    async def test_voice_reply_constructs_reference_without_fetch(self, tmp_path, monkeypatch):
+        adapter, channel, _ = _make_discord_adapter("first")
+        audio = tmp_path / "clip.ogg"
+        audio.write_bytes(b"OggS" + b"\x00" * 64)
+        monkeypatch.setattr(adapter, "_is_forum_parent", lambda _c: True)
+        forum_posts = []
+        async def fake_forum_post(_channel, **kwargs):
+            forum_posts.append(kwargs)
+            return MagicMock(success=True, message_id="77")
+        monkeypatch.setattr(adapter, "_forum_post_file", fake_forum_post)
+
+        await adapter.send_voice("12345", str(audio), reply_to="999")
+
+        channel.fetch_message.assert_not_called()
diff --git a/tests/gateway/test_discord_send.py b/tests/gateway/test_discord_send.py
index 1aafb3b8a556..e26d55dbde4d 100644
--- a/tests/gateway/test_discord_send.py
+++ b/tests/gateway/test_discord_send.py
@@ -103,10 +103,15 @@ async def fake_send(*, content, reference=None):
 
     assert result.success is True
     assert result.message_id == "1001"
-    assert channel.fetch_message.await_count == 1
+    # ids-only reference: the fetch is gone entirely — the retry happens
+    # on the send-side 10008, not a fetch failure
+    assert channel.fetch_message.await_count == 0
     assert channel.send.await_count == 3
-    ref_msg.to_reference.assert_called_once_with(fail_if_not_exists=False)
-    assert send_calls[0]["reference"] is reference_obj
+    # the reference is constructed from ids, not fetched + to_reference()
+    _discord_mod.MessageReference.assert_any_call(
+        message_id=99, channel_id=None, guild_id=None,
+        fail_if_not_exists=False)
+    assert send_calls[0]["reference"] is _discord_mod.MessageReference.return_value
     assert send_calls[1]["reference"] is None
     assert send_calls[2]["reference"] is None